Apple maps very disappointing

gkinchina wrote:

On the contrary, you are likely one of the very few really serious users of Maps.

What is your basis for this assertion? Please site sources.

Are you not the person who said much earlier in the thread that Google iOS app is not expected as "Eric Schmidt says no"?

I am as well informed now as I was then, when I said the app is coming soon.

And the barrage of articles all over the web in the last two days, the google maps download numbers etc., indicate to you that I know my numbers and my sources this time round as well.

To get the sources, be a good sport, do the work for me, "just Google them". They are all over the place.

gkinchina wrote:

Are you not the person who said much earlier in the thread that Google iOS app is not expected as "Eric Schmidt says no"?

I linked to an article in which he said that, yes. Not my fault he was being coy. You've sited nothing at all, provided no evidence to your apparently off-the cuff assertion that there are few "serious" users of Apple maps. Please define "serious". Please explain how you have determined the number of "serious" users.

Like I said, "Google it" - hundreds of sources, thousands of informed comments all over the world.

Please document my research for me and post it here.

My sources are as sound this time, as they were then.

electronicsguy wrote:

you're misssing the point. point is you're still 'controlled' - whether its apple or google. anyone can change their terms anytime. there's no golden solution with either.

Utter nonsense. You are just repeating open-source propaganda. Let me tell you the way Google and its open-source buddies really work. Any one "can" change their terms any time, but only Google actually "did" create a free platform and then change it to a pay-per-use platform. Apple has never built a whole platform for free and then told developers they had to start paying if they want to keep using it.

Apple creates relationships with developers, charges a small fee and a small percentage, but treats them with honesty and respect. Google and its open-source friends publish free software and services to eliminate competition and jack up the prices and restrictions.

gkinchina wrote:

My sources are as sound this time, as they were then.

So what are they?

Meg St._Clair wrote:

gkinchina wrote:

My sources are as sound this time, as they were then.

So what are they?

The internet.

C'mon Meg...

Don't you know that everything on the internet is true, correct and absolutely infallible?

boo... non-sense. another fanboy.

Aw, I thought you were going to be a better partcipant than that. But alas just another person with no facts who then resorts to namecalling.

deggie wrote:

Aw, I thought you were going to be a better partcipant than that. But alas just another person with no facts who then resorts to namecalling.

Yes, it's too bad. He had potential.

Chris CA wrote:

gkinchina wrote:

My sources are as sound this time, as they were then.

So what are they?

The internet.

C'mon Meg...

Don't you know that everything on the internet is true, correct and absolutely infallible?

Darn, I always forget that! Did I mention I'm a super model neurosurgeon Nobel prize winner?

You know, my friend's company sells shoes. Due to a problem in his factory, the soles of all his running shoes had a defect. Athletes could injure themselves by using it.

As the shoes were already out there in a complex distribution chain, a total recall was difficult. So, he put out an apology and a notice to athletes to not use shoes of that batch and wait for something better or use other good brands.

I went to a shoe store in London the other day and saw a shoe of that batch and told them not to waste time showing it to athletes as they wont buy it. Someone with less intense requirements may buy it and use it for some simple walking around etc.

You know what happened?

The store salesman refused to believe that Athletes will not use it. He wanted "evidence" and "sources" from me and demanded "proof" that athletes will not use the damaged shoe (acknowledged by the company as damaged). He was soo joined by other salesmen in the store - all clamouring for "evidence". Someone started booing me too.

I decided to go out and have a good time in London and do all the other stuff I had to do.

electronicsguy wrote:

boo... non-sense. another fanboy.

Your response led me to dig up another very interesting fact.

Of course it isn't "non-sense". You can read Google's announcement from October 26, 2011 for yourself. The funny part is where Google says "by introducing these limits we are ensuring that Google can continue to offer the Maps API for free to the vast majority of developers for many years to come". I don't know what kind of usage "the vast majority of developers" have. I run an obscure and hard-to find site whose data isn't even publicly available. We pay big bucks for Google Maps data.

The funny thing is that soon after Apple announced its own mapping solution, Google drastically cut the price for its map data. Coincidence?

gkinchina wrote:

You know, my friend's company sells shoes. Due to a problem in his factory, the soles of all his running shoes had a defect. Athletes could injure themselves by using it.

As the shoes were already out there in a complex distribution chain, a total recall was difficult. So, he put out an apology and a notice to athletes to not use shoes of that batch and wait for something better or use other good brands.

I went to a shoe store in London the other day and saw a shoe of that batch and told them not to waste time showing it to athletes as they wont buy it. Someone with less intense requirements may buy it and use it for some simple walking around etc.

You know what happened?

The store salesman refused to believe that Athletes will not use it. He wanted "evidence" and "sources" from me and demanded "proof" that athletes will not use the damaged shoe (acknowledged by the company as damaged). He was soo joined by other salesmen in the store - all clamouring for "evidence". Someone started booing me too.

That anecdote makes no sense at all.

Have fun.

Yup. I thought it would make no sense. Nice piece of nonsense - is it not?