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RGB or CMYK colour formatting for iPhoto Albums printing.

Hi.


I'm putting my first iPhoto Album together. Info given from Apple about what colour format to use for your photos, says to use RGB. While this is corrcet for digital monitors and screens. Mass printing uses CMYK. Any images supplied to a printers in RGB will colour shift when printed in CMYK. No matter what a printer tells you, these colour shifts can be very noticable. I'm an Advertsing Art Director and I've seen the shift that happens.


I will be checking/colour correting all photos submitted to the iPhoto Album with Adobe Photoshop. And many will very probably undergo some corrections. Be it through levels, curves, hue/saturation, etc. Nothing to anything near an excessive level, but enough to make obvious improvements.


So I will then be faced with the choice of whether to save the images out in RGB or CMYK.


Can someone with some technique knowledge, from the iPhoto team, tell me/reasure me why RGB has been specified? And if CMYK wouldn't actually be a preferable colour format to supply in, considering you'll be printing them in CMYK.


Many Thanks, Jim.

Posted on Sep 23, 2012 11:00 AM

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Sep 23, 2012 12:07 PM in response to Old Toad

Old Toad.


Just to let you know. If Apple does not use certain type of CMYK printers (as you phrase it), then Apple doesn't print any Albums. But since they do, Apple DO use CMYK printers.


Because no print process on this planet is based on RGB. Everything and I mean everything is printed in CMYK.


And yes digital cameras capture in RBG. Although it isn't most of them, it's all of them.

Sep 23, 2012 2:39 PM in response to jimsayshi

You're absolutely correct. I was referring to notes make a number of years ago in regards to iPhoto 5 and that RGB was recommended for both books and prints.


I was confusing CMYK with Grayscale with Dot Gain 20% profile when stating iPhoto didn't support it which it didn't fully support until iPhoto 9.


In fact I just ran a test with iPhoto 6, 7 and 8 with a CMYK AND GrayScale files with the following results:


iPhoto 6 (06): wouldn't import CMYK but did GrayScale. The grayscale file would only display as a black thumbnail and negative full image. If the DotGain 20% profile was stipped from it the iamge would dispaly normally.


iPhoto 7 (08): wouldn't import CMYK but did GrayScale. The grayscale file would only display as a black thumbnail and negative full image. If the DotGain 20% profile was stipped from it the iamge would dispaly normally.


iPhoto 8 (09): neither file would import which is surprising:

User uploaded file

iPhoto 9.2.3 (11): both imported and viewed normally.


iPhoto 9.4 (11): both imported and viewed normally.


In Oct, 2007 I got an email from Apple support with the following:


Also as iphoto makes a pdf of the book and then uploads it to keep the size down, it doesn't matter if the pics are RGB or CMYK as a pdf is a closed file. But since it is going through prinergy it has an RGB checker so this most be switched off. It is how the software in prinergy handle's it that causes the washed out affect as it takes the Red Green Blue colours and tries to convert to Cyan Magenta Yellow Black. Now the colour spectrum in printing between rgb and cmyk is quite different looking at a colour wheel will show you. The best way i can describe it is if you have a pantone book which has spot on one side and process on the other you can see a colour difference. Or if you use quark open up the colours and again switch between process and spot.

BUT ONLY CONVERT PICS TO CMYK IF YOU ONLY INTEND TO ORDER BOOKS. IF YOU INTEND TO ORDER PRINTS IT WILL NEED TO BE RGB.

Here's how i see it:

1. Apple doesn't want 2 different versions of the pics floating about as running CMYK through a photomachine (as prints you would order in the high street) will not print correctly.

2. RGb's going through a CMYK press using prinergy will attempt to convert and produce the washed out effect, or yellowing effect BUT will still print.

So it will use the 2nd option as it will still produce prints normally and books with a slightly washed out effect. Now to most people in the high street, who will notice a difference?

I have just received my latest book saved as CMYK pics in tiff format and no washed out effect. What i will say is The quality if still not as good as a print. Now we use a docucolour 5252 at work and the colour quality is better. I wonder how often the machine is calibrated and what colour curve it is set to?


However, I am unable to import a CMYK file in any iPhoto version until iPhoto 9. Go figure.


Thanks for the feedback. Hadn't addressed this particular subject in quite a long time.

Sep 23, 2012 3:22 PM in response to jimsayshi

No one can tell you why since we are users just like you


The answer to RGB or CYMK is simple. ONLY RGB is supported and JPEGs are recommended



Creating Your Order

Image Settings


For the best results, your images should be in JPEG/JPG file format and in RGB mode when ordering photo products using iPhoto or Aperture. You can use an image editor to convert your image file into this common format.


Larger image files can take longer to transfer, and a larger image might be corrupted during the transfer process. There is no benefit to submitting larger file sizes.


For more details on formatting images, refer to Five steps to great books, cards, and calendars.


Image Resolution


Your images will print best when you submit an appropriate file size for your product. While there is a minimum recommended resolution for all of our products, keep in mind that bigger is not always better.


Cropping Photos


Each print size has its own rectangular shape, known as the aspect ratio. For example, an 8 x 10 print is proportionately taller and narrower than a 4 x 6 print. To make your image fit these different print shapes, photo labs usually enlarge the image slightly and crop out what doesn't fit.


For the best results, you should crop your images to the same aspect ratio as the print size you are ordering.


For more details on cropping photos, refer to:


Cropping photos in iPhoto

Cropping photos in Aperture

Preview Order


We know you put a lot of care into creating your photo products. To ensure the very best book, card or calendar, we strongly recommend that you preview your order before submission.


For more details on previewing your order, refer to Previewing an order in iPhoto or Aperture.


Warning Icon


You may see a warning icon if there is a resolution or text issue with your photos. For more details, refer to iPhoto & Aperture: Warning icon when ordering photo products.


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