Why can't Apple develop a stylus that functional for precision drawing.

One of those guys...

I understand what a representative sample is. I don't think one is realistically possible in this case. What is possible is to simply read what others have experienced.

Goosekeeper wrote:

Comparing a stylus to a printer is ridiculous. They don't make cars or coffee makers either. They do however make tablet computing devices which have a slew of art, writing an notes applications, all of which would benefit greatly from an optional, precision input device.

Samsung has done this. And in that their tablet has a stylus is probably the biggest reason and selling point I've heard in why to choose theirs over the iPad. Apple could squash that easily.

I wasn't comparing a stylus to a printer. My point was that as a computer company, Apple doesn't make a lot of computer accessories, much less anything else. About as far as they go is earphones. Samsung, by contrast, makes a lot of stuff including TVs, vacuums, refrigerators, stoves, etc.

This whole thread is really pointless. Apple has never advocated use of a stylus for the iPad, so I believe the chances of them making one are just about zip. If you think they should make one, why not tell them? Blabbing about it here won't get you anywhere.

It's been said that the iPad requires a 5MM circle of contact for styluses. which is why they are so blunt. So if the need is there for a more precise stylus, perhaps people need to send Apple feedback, letting them k now your need, and they can then refine the touch interface to make it more precise.

http://www.apple.com/feedback/

Yeah, that measurement is about what I've heard too. Basically a finger tip. If they could (and from what I've heard, they can) reduce that diameter, capacitive stylus tips could get much more precise, without negatively effecting finger input at all. From what I know it would be an adjustment to iOS.

Some sort of actual digitizer would still be ideal.

First of all, I'm doing my babbling on their site. I'm sure this forum wasn't just built the way it was to simply give their customers a web-hamster wheel to run around in. Us bickering in this strange evolving debate (?) is in fact us giving them feedback.

Samsung is taking iPad users. This is a fact. I know quite a few. They are leaving for the pen. The sPen. That's the primary reason. They admit the software on iOS is better, they like the iPad, but the stupid little sPen is the deciding factor. A pen is borderline make or break for me as well.

Generally,nwhen you go into a shop which sells pads of paper,nthey also sell pens. A shop which sells pens, usually has a selection of pads nearby. The iPad is a modern day, electronic, pad of paper (among other things). It's popular with students. Many artists like myself, use it, want to use it as a mobile art station. Apple advertises it as this. They feature art apps in most of their keynotes. Yet, it's missing a pen. Just don't think a pen accessory for a digital pad is too far a stretch.

You said that Apple is a computer company not a stylus company. Yet, they make keyboards, mice and whatnot too... they do make accessories for direct input with the computers they make. I suppose they could leave all of these kinds of thing upto 3rd party companies, but they don't. I don't see how a proper stylus to an iPad is any different.

The truth is they could start winning back and then taking extra customers from Samsung, with one simple accessory. why not cover that base?

I completely agree with you, Boss.

Goosekeeper wrote:

The truth is they could start winning back and then taking extra customers from Samsung, with one simple accessory. why not cover that base?

Winning back customers? Are you kidding? The court documents revealed a short time ago in the Apple v. Samsung trial show that the Samsung tablet sales are a tiny fraction of the iPad sales.

http://allthingsd.com/20120810/court-documents-show-samsungs-tablet-sales-barely -a-fraction-of-ipads/

Whatever perceived "extra customers" Apple is losing really doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things. And besides, no reasonable person will think having a stylus is going to change the minds of many customers, even those on the fence about which device to choose.

Look, Apple is not making a stylus and to my knowledge has no plans to do so. This is a business decision on their part, plain and simple. If you have a different view, write to Tim Cook and tell him.

That's funny, because a couple hours before you wrote what you did, another guy, on another thread wrote this:

[the discussion was: to choose a good tablet with good software but with crap stylus options, or to choose a lesser tablet with crap software but with an excellent pen]

"I feel the opposite... I sold my iPad3 for the Daddy Note. I do better work with a really responsive pen and merely 'good' software like SBP, or my current favorite LayerPaint. As good as Procreate is, fighting the pen, turning the Adonit off & on, rememberIng to charge it, endlessly hunting for a workable ink or brush setting, etc, etc. was just too ****** much hassle. Now I just draw, and I usually have a grin on my face. I'm not dissing Apple, I liked my iPad but it isn't the tool that the Note is."

Not every iPad user has a strong longing for pen input. Many do tho. From artists, novice & professional to students of all degrees and plenty of Joes and Janes in between. Apple stores sell styluses, they have customers sign iPod Touches with their fingers. Apple is bitter with Samsung. Samsung is going Apple's apples. Apple has taken out a good number of patents on stylus concepts (I know, that doesn't always mean much), 3rd part companies are doing very well making workaround styluses for Apple's iPad, Johns are becoming entrepreneurs overnight on Kickstarter with their stylus solutions, people are choosing Sammy over Apple for this reason, maybe not in droves, but it's still happening. Apple can't like it. I'm sure they're not just shrugging it off completely. They see it. I could go on. The point is, there is a demand that is being taken advantage of by solo dudes with a lathe to mega corporations such at Samsung.

Now, add all of these together.

That's a niche market worth paying attention to.

I draw for a living. I draw 8 hours a day, every day doing concept art for feature films (advertising too). I've done a descent amount of work on two different, major feature developments in the past two months, on my iPad using a fantastic, iOS-only app called Procreate. The iPad actually makes for an amazing, very intuitive and mobile art machine. The one, single-standout-missing-link is a true, precise, optional pen input device. The iPad would become a whole new thing to an entire industry of working professional artists if that were to happen. And remember, the original fanboys largely consisted (and still does to a degree) of professionals in the arts. Add that one to my run-on list above.

Goosekeeper wrote:

I draw for a living. I draw 8 hours a day, every day doing concept art for feature films (advertising too). I've done a descent amount of work on two different, major feature developments in the past two months, on my iPad using a fantastic, iOS-only app called Procreate. The iPad actually makes for an amazing, very intuitive and mobile art machine. The one, single-standout-missing-link is a true, precise, optional pen input device. The iPad would become a whole new thing to an entire industry of working professional artists if that were to happen. And remember, the original fanboys largely consisted (and still does to a degree) of professionals in the arts. Add that one to my run-on list above.

Apple's technology, history, and business model suggest that they will never make a stylus for the iPad or iPhone.

First, the history. Steve Jobs hated the stylus. This is well known. Here's a clip of him saying so in 2007:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4YY3MSaUqMg

Jobs felt that controlling your mobile device with a penlike thing meant having to carry something extra, and Jobs always disdained extra things. “God gave us 10 styluses—let’s not invent another,” he used to say.

In terms of Apple's technology, their Multi-Touch technology is specifically designed NOT to use a stylus. From a business point of view, using a stylus takes away from the experience Apple is trying to give when you use one of their devices. Combine all of these, and you can see why Apple doesn't make a stylus, and probably never will.

Exactly, Goosekeeper. Add museum industry to the list. Having spent most of my adult life documenting excavations but left the field just before computerizarion / digitalization begun, I can only imagine the possibilities current technology opened up. (Whoever been lugging around tons of clunky equipment & trying to draw in horizontal rain/wind will know too well - and that's just a small bit of the package.)

It would be splendid if Apple released an iPad Pro sorta thing, without all the frilly bits (who needs arsebook/twatter integration anyway?) but a high-precision stylus and interface. With all the requisite spec. apps developed by those who use them (therefore know best). Probably in a larger size as well. Indoors and outdoors version, antiglare & weather/dust-proof for the latter. 😀 Haha.

(Would i buy one? Nooooo wai. Dumbed down a great deal recently (must be my age), for me it's a candy-coloured iPad Mini all the way. Just bought an ipad 3 last month so I'm broke, but nevermind... 😎)

Apple said that it wasn't going to make:

A video iPod

E-Readers (iBooks)

Cell phones

"We didn't think we'd do well in the cell phone business. What we've done instead is we've written what we think is some of the best software in the world to start syncing information between devices. We believe that mode is what cell phones need to get to."

-Steve Jobs

iPhones with larger screens

Tablets

"There are no plans to make a tablet…Tablets appeal to rich guys with plenty of other PCs and devices already."

-Steve Jobs

^ LOL, good one 😀

Funny enough, the iPhone is the only Apple item which doesn't hold the slightest appeal to me (but it's because I hate telephones, try to avoid them at all costs).

Whatever i said in my prev. post, I'd be a total sucker for a big pad with a decent, precise stylus. These ipads are just crying out for that.

(Would save fortunes on Winsor & Newton and Arches as well, in botched sketches....)

Been out of the graphic tablet loop since ages (since the Wacom Graphire, which I still play with occasionally) - but they are an entirely different thing, a bit like being walked by a guide dog.

Try this, it's the best stylus for the iPad by a country mile, smallest nib of any of them, feels like a normal mechanical pencil & is rather sexy to boot!!

www.handstylus.com

@tmbk2

I backed the Hand Stylus on Kickstarter.

It does resemble a mechanical pencil, is somewhat sexy an does have a very small nib. As far as workability goes tho, not the best stylus for the iPad. The small nib requires enough pressure to smush it down so that it spreads in size wide enough to register on screen. Feels unnatural. Very cool design, well made... decent for tapping around. By no means great for writing and especially drawing. You really have to mash it down pretty good to get it to do anything. This fact makes it less practical and more gimmicky.

Currently, the best stylus Goethe iPad as far as accuracy, precision and dependable responsiveness goes is the Go Smart stylus. It destroys, destroys, the Hand Stylus, the Adonit Jot, line up, Dagi Styluses...

www.justgosmart.com