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iOS Messages Client?

I've setup messages server on my ML server.

Its working fine with messages on my iMac clients, but i'm struggling to find a good client for my iPads

I've tried BeeJive which I can't even get to connect to my server.

I've also tried Monal, but its being flaky. It will connect, but on some clients it will show the list of connected users, and on others it won't. I've looked through settings and can't find any differences. It even seems that sometimes the client list shows and other times it doesn't. The other problem I have is that if i try to send messages from the client iMacs to multiple ipads (each with its own messages account), they come through as a chat room, but there are several problems:

-replies to the group don't go through at all

-if one of the clients that you try to send is offline, none of the recipients get the message

Can someone recommend a good jabber client to use? Why on earth does apple no provide a client for their own Message service on iOS?

iMac (27-inch Mid 2011), OS X Mountain Lion

Posted on Oct 18, 2012 10:39 AM

37 replies

mille1j Author

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Oct 19, 2012 11:45 AM in response to Mark23

you got mulitmilliion dollar liability coverage and a HIPAA contract that we can sign?

Mark23

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Oct 19, 2012 11:47 AM in response to mille1j

Why do you ask?

mille1j Author

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Oct 19, 2012 11:52 AM in response to Mark23

well, the purpose of my messaging client is sending clinical related messages, so it needs to be HIPAA compliant. If I use a third party, they need to provide me with liability protection against HIPAA privacy issues and sign a HIPAA privacy agreement.

Mark23

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Oct 19, 2012 12:02 PM in response to mille1j

You could ask JabberB's manufacturer whether they use a third party.

haykong

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Oct 19, 2012 12:02 PM in response to Mark23

Mark23 wrote:

Articles are never a good substitute for hand-on experience, although I seriously doubt that a site like Krypted would report such misinformation.

OS X Server most certainly works with Push Certificates.

Did you ever set up an instance of OS X Server (Mountain Lion)?

http://krypted.com/mac-os-x/setting-up-the-messages-service-in-mountain-lion-ser ver/

Yes I've setup OS X Server (Mountain Lion) and have email, contacts, and addressbooks pushed. However, I never bothered setting up Apple's iChat/Messages Server since there is no need for my current clients. If Apple truly supported pushing "messages" on OS X Server wouldn't you think they would have push certifcates for messages in the Apple Push Certificate Portal?

apns:com.apple.calendar

apns:com.apple.contact

apns:com.apple.mail

apns:com.apple.mgmt

apns:com.apple.alerts

why don't you look at

https://identity.apple.com/pushcert/

and see if you have a push certificate for messages?

Hey I'm not saying your wrong with your setup. It's just a matter of being HIPAA Compliant or not and keeping messages in-house and secure. I'm sure beejive has their own servers helping with the push.

mille1j Author

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Oct 19, 2012 12:06 PM in response to mille1j

So right now, i have setup the following accounts

mfdipad1@server.mfd.private

mfdipad2@server.mfd.private

mfdipad3@server.mfd.private

mfdipad4@server.mfd.private

and then i have 5 accounts for my computer users

The computer users are all working fine, they see each others availability, they can send messages to each other, working fine.

The ipads are weird. I've only setup two of the ipads so far. On one of them, user availability shows up just fine, but on the other the other users do not show up. they are setup identically other than the jabber id.

also, when i send group messages to mfdipad3@server.mfd.private and mfdipad4@server.mfd.private from the computer accounts, the message is received on both ipads, but if you reply from the ipads, the replies don't go through to the computer accounts. weird. If i send a message to jsut one ipad, it works ok.

Ideally, i'd have all the ipads share one account so that you can message them all at the same time, but i've tried setting them all up with 1 jabber id and that doesn't seem to work either.

mille1j Author

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Oct 19, 2012 12:08 PM in response to haykong

I have the same 5 push certs that you have listed, haykong

Mark23

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Oct 19, 2012 12:13 PM in response to mille1j

Have you granted access to Messages to the one account that doesn't seem to work at the server serving the Messages service?

haykong

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Oct 19, 2012 12:24 PM in response to Mark23

Mark23,

You're welcome to take a stab at finding a solution for millie1j dilemma. However, make sure it's HIPAA Compliant. At least I fixed one issue and that milie1j is nolonger in a double NAT network.

Mark23

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Oct 19, 2012 12:34 PM in response to haykong

I'm happy for you 🙂

mille1j Author

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Oct 19, 2012 12:45 PM in response to Mark23

yep, they all have access to messages services.

mille1j Author

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Oct 19, 2012 1:12 PM in response to mille1j

do these iOS jabber clients like Monal, Beejive, etc utilize some 3rd party push server that would be outside my firewall that its just not able to access right now?

Mark23

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Oct 19, 2012 1:30 PM in response to mille1j

Jabber support confirmed the App Store comment about the mobile proxy gateway.

Jabber doesn't seem to be the right choice for you if you don't want third parties involed. I'm not getting into this Hipaa thing. You could just resort to sending email, that would be almost the same...

mille1j Author

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Oct 19, 2012 1:37 PM in response to Mark23

it certainly seems that unti/unless apple develops a message client for iOS that works with ML server messages, my best/only option is to setup email. nuts

I presume that even if i wanted to use messages on the ipads with an icloud id, it won't talk to my ML server messages account unless I setup my server with a FQDN?

Mark23

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Oct 19, 2012 1:58 PM in response to mille1j

I'm afraid that apart from Jabber not being the solution to your problems, neither would iCloud be since that will not work over your server either, sorry. Why don't you just use Messages / iChat only on your OS X devices for the time being?

iOS Messages Client?