-=Best "Plug-in Delay Compensation" Workaround=-

As all of us know, the flawed "plug-in delay compensation" basically delays all of the recorded audio that follows what you've already manipulated, What are the best work arounds to this issue that you've found?
(At least until Apple finally fixes this)

Thanks to all whom offer input in to this thread.

*I'm sure that this has been a thread in the past, I'm looking for some current ways to deal with this.

iMac G5 2 GHz, Mac OS X (10.4.6), 1 GB RAM, Logic Pro 7, M-Audio ProjectMix I|O

Posted on Apr 24, 2006 10:33 AM

28 replies

Mordant

Level 1

60 points

Apr 24, 2006 12:35 PM in response to David Robinson9

I think Acme is talking specifically about overdubs with PDC on.

I've never heard of your issue. There shouldn't be any phase issues with PDC on (with "ALL" selected - do you have "ALL" selected?). If there are phase issues, then PDC is not working correctly.

Have you tested it by bouncing the same mix out of LP6 and LP7, phase-inverting and then summing?

Is there a way I can duplicate what you are experiencing and confirm it?

Apr 24, 2006 12:52 PM in response to Mordant

With PDC on, The vocals are WAY late, By almost a beat.
With PDC off, the music is out of synch
Yes, "All" is selected.
Past system is 5 Platinum, not LP6, and tossed out P.O.S. PC... P4's just don't cut it.

Apr 24, 2006 3:01 PM in response to AcmeAudioEng.

I haven't found a way round the problem, the only thing you can do is not use any plugins!!!! i really don't understand how it's come to this? all the super fast macs and fancy audio hardware and we can't even use it anymore! thats evolution?

My old OS 9 system with Logic 4.8 worked fine, i could even use sofware monitoring and that was on a G3 @ 300Mhz with 256Mb Ram? now i have a Dual 2Ghz G5 with 2Gig Ram and i can't do s *t....

Whats going on? why are we paying all this money for stuff that don't work??

Apr 24, 2006 3:12 PM in response to lief ryan

Preach on Brother Lief!

.... and not use plugins?! yeah, agreed, that's insanity!

Apr 24, 2006 3:21 PM in response to AcmeAudioEng.

Yeah sorry for the rant, but it makes me angry that even just one audio instument play a tiny bit behind an external midi instrument!

all the giga bites must might a lot, that many gigs just can't get along
Craaaazzzzy?

Mordant

Level 1

60 points

Apr 24, 2006 6:05 PM in response to AcmeAudioEng.

Acme - the question was for David. You have a completey seperate issue - which is:

You don't like the physical laws of the universe and you blame Apple for them. Good luck dude...

Mordant

Level 1

60 points

Apr 24, 2006 6:06 PM in response to lief ryan

Whats going on? why are we paying all this money for
stuff that don't work??

My car won't fly either and it really ****** me off...

Apr 24, 2006 6:33 PM in response to Mordant

not for nothing Mordant, but I started this thread looking for realistic workarounds, not do be alienated for asking a question.

what's with the p*ss and vinegar on these F'N forums anyway?

BTW, logic can determan the latency caused by the plugins and slow down the faster tracks... now why can't Logic take that same figure and bump the new audio forward the same amount?
that's not defiable by the laws of physics... this is realistic.
and yes, Apple could very easily implement this into 7.2.1 ... now why is this such a hard concept to understand?

BTW, the universe is in infinate expantion... why is the mentallity here shrinking, and yet all I hear about is the laws of physics?

...Or should I be looking forward to another $299+ upgrade to il-Logic Ver. 8?

Man, all I'm asking in this thread is "WHAT IS YOUR BEST PLUG-IN DELAY COMPENSATION WORKAROUND?!".... not to start a p*issing match.

Apr 24, 2006 8:31 PM in response to Mordant

All is on. don't have to check - already know. just use my ears and forty years worth of experience at this. my latest mixes actually prove the point.
i have not used auxes. i have tracked all reverb sends . i have shifted every clip
back into place. etc. it sounds the best i've got with LP7 and osx.
it (the mixes) sound focused and alive. impact plus.
this thread is right on the money re: the boss.

Apr 24, 2006 9:11 PM in response to AcmeAudioEng.

"..or at least automatically nudge the audio forward the same amount that the rest of the song was delayed to compensate for this?"

unless I am missing something, I still don't understand why this is not the obvious fix for delay compensation while overdubbing.

Logic knows precisely how long the audio is being delayed to compensate for plugins. If you are using software monitoring and playing along live to the track, once you drop back out of record Logic automatically then nudges the audio you just recorded to match the delayed tracks... No?

James .:.•.: www.embrionic.tv :.•.:.

Mac OS X (10.4.4) G5 DP 2.3, LP 7.2, i88x, Indigo, K2661

Apr 24, 2006 9:46 PM in response to embrionic

"emrionic" gets it.. and it took less than 13 posts to see reason.
... must be a "Southie" thing!

(you are from Southie right?)

Apr 25, 2006 1:43 AM in response to Mordant

Whats going on? why are we paying all this money

for

stuff that don't work??

My car won't fly either and it really ****** me off...

I don't think its a strange thing to want an audio/midi sequencer to be able to record audio and midi in time, it did before???

Apr 25, 2006 5:34 AM in response to AcmeAudioEng.

Sup All,

The Best Workaround is to bounce and add effects as David Robinson mentioned earlier if:
Adaptive Limiter- Limiter - Multipressor - Noise Gate
Silver Gate - Linear Phase EQ - Match EQ
EnVerb - Space Designer - Denoiser
Pitch Correction - Pitch Shifter II - Vocal Transformer
are on your Aux and/or Buss Tracks; and freeze your remaining tracks before recording any additional parts.

If any of those plugins are on your master output, you must bypass them.

- Recorded audio tracks with PDC active and Software Monitoring was deactived? No Latency.
- Recorded audio tracks with PDC and Software Monitoring actived? Latency.

Me personally, I don't worry too much about these issues of ms latencies cause I like my mix to feel alive, and if I want to tighten up the mix I use Ozone3. It works wonders.

Chap

"Know your gears inside out"
These results are from tests I performed with a mixed song.

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-=Best "Plug-in Delay Compensation" Workaround=-