How to Freeze an External Instrument?

*hitting said horse with stick*

hey Michael,

Goto the post where I explained to Jord what I thought the original manual sentence meant...I think that covers it...key word 'think'...

X

(Please excuse this post which does not add information that has not been stated.)

Cerla,
I have not used it yet, but my interpretation of the text, is that this External Instrument plug-in simply allows you to organize your external instrument tracks as your internal instrument tracks. In other words, this plug-in allows for a single track, an "instrument track" to hold both the midi as well as bring in the audio signal from the external instrument. When you need to 'print' or 'record' the external instrument audio, my guess is that you must simply record-enable the instrument track & press record, and after the real-time recording process is done, the audio will be on that track. That last sentence on the bottom of page 575 makes sense to me if I replace 'freezing' with 'printing', 'bouncing', or simply 'recording'. So, if it works as described, it will do what you want -- which does simplify the process.

Michael,
By the way, from the "New Features in Logic Pro 7.2 Supplement", 'Corrections to Logic Pro 7 Documentation' chapter, page 119:
"Freezing tracks using DSP-card based effects: The LP 7 Reference manual incorrectly states that you cannot freeze tracks that make use of DSP-card based effects. You may freeze such tracks."
(Off topic: And Michael, from what I've read on unicornation, DP5 does not seem more VI efficient.)

Dual 2.3 Mac OS X (10.4.5)

.... puppy has been put down:
the dog has been put to death for it's own good.

I hope this helps your translation.

Gentleman?

"Freezing an External Instrument track cannot happen faster than realtime, as per any Bounce operations where MIDI hardware is involved."

Freeze Track is only possible through an Offline process which is faster than Realtime.

Logic or any software needs to monitor (hear) the incoming signal in order to process it. If the Midi Signal was allowed to play as fast as the Freeze process goes; Logic would have to calculate the different in speed and render that Audio data from the external Instrument back in time to fit the song or part Tempo. For the software to perform such tasks would involve a Time Stretching Algorithm which in turn would tax and/or slow the computer down.

In an Engineer stand point, it is much easier to bypass those processed altogether and make them not available. Im sure most Logic users would prefer it that way, right? More Speed.

Chap

"What more can we ask but Stability in LP8"
Translation: "We can Only ask for Stability in LP8"

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Hey Chap.

I would like to add to my earlier post....

"From Plugin Reference Manual, page 575

Freezing an External Instrument track cannot happen faster than realtime, >as per any Bounce operations where MIDI hardware is involved."

I might not be reading this right, but this sentence form the manual says to >me that freezing an external instrument track IS a bounce (..."as per"...) and >a bounce IS an audio file. Am I wrong in my deduction?

We all know that a bounce from an external instrument needs to happen before the freeze (now)...that's sort of the point of my earlier post. Not too clear though, was it?


"In an Engineer stand point, it is much easier to bypass those processed altogether and make them not available. Im sure most Logic users would prefer it that way, right? More Speed."

I'm not exactly sure what you mean by this. Care to elaborate for me?

X

X,

You are right about your deduction, and a bounce needs to be performed. Let's be clear that bouncing a MIDI Track through Ext. VI is not possible offline.

For the 2nd paragraph in question: The result we are all looking for is efficiency and performance, right?

1: Freezing= Rendering any track audio/instrument files and its inserts (no external MIDI Instrument/Auxillaries) is 1 Stream process.
2: Freezing any track Audio/Instrument files and its inserts (with external MIDI Instrument/Auxillaries) is 2 Streams process.
a) Freezing the MIDI/Auxillaries track (freezing process which is a Bounce Offline sort of process is much faster than Bounce Realtime) will require the MIDI notes to be played much faster (Freezing Speed)
b) In lame term, Setting the MIDI notes speed back to song Tempo.

IMO, the External MIDI Hardware is dying.

Chap

" a rested soul is more creative in any field of interest"

IMO, the External MIDI Hardware is dying.

No it's not...

An old Rabbi told me this (and I quote verbatim): An opinion is like a tochus... everyone has one!

jord

or you could say...

opinions are like arm pits, everyone has a couple and they usually stink

You asking the one person who got kicked out of English class on numerous occasions (I preferred music class 🙂 ). Mind you, that was 25 years ago.

But, yes, nothing beats a real synth (although the software stuff does come rather close).

jord