Remastering of songs

I've downloaded remastered songs from the Store and they sounded 'strange' with too much bass and not enough variation. I've bought a CD thinking they may sound like the original, but they sounded the same. Using a non-Apple program that I've used to split-up my LPs digital tracks, the CD and Store tracks look exactly the same. However, two LP tracks I've converted look very different from the CD tracks. The LP 'core' part is solid green (in this case) and the top and bottom is wavey with lots of 'fingers' sticking out. However, the CD waveform has a solid straight top and bottom line with an occaisonal 'finger' going in to the centre, thus, it sounds different.


I've tried a global volume reduction, it just makes the waveform smaller and have been trying to find a solution for ages to no avail.


Does anyone know how I can unmaster the track so it sounds like the original and not as some spaced-out person's dream of what it sholud be like?


I can only assume that Apple has no say in this but, as a customer, I'm not happy having spent good money for a rubbish sound.

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Posted on Jan 27, 2013 2:09 AM

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Dec 3, 2013 5:20 AM in response to macpomaus

The harmonics issue you mentioned is well documented, and is something that unfortunately was not taken into consideration with the development of Compact Disc during the late 1970s.



Regrettably, the emphasis on "Compact" was such that both Sample Rate(over time) and Bit Depth(amplitude) could be only so high. CDDA(compact disc digital audio redbook) was originally supposed to have a 14Bit depth, but a way was found to increase the number of steps to the equivalent of 16Bits, pushing the noise floor an additional 12dB lower. All this, to double the number of CDs, vs albums, that could fit side-by-side on retail store racks! smh..



On the subject of harmonics, suppose a tone has a freq. of 26kHz. It could conceivably have a 2nd order harmonic of 52kHz, a third order of 78, etc. Sometimes it could have a lower harmonic(13kHz in our case) that is perfectly audible to most people. Since CDDA shelves off at about 22kHz, it cannot produce that 26kHz tone, and hence the 13kHz tone does not exist. It is that "inter-harmonic" that can have an intrinsic effect on the sounds that we can hear that is phsychologically(subconscious as you stated) profound and worthy of its own webpage entry(!)



Still, for what it can reproduce, CD performs flawlessly. However, it simply cannot produce dynamics that are not there(as in - removed during the mastering process of a current release, or the manipulation(advert. as "Remastered")) of reissues of legacy classic rock, R&B and country acts, etc.

Jan 19, 2014 5:15 AM in response to iKLutzSupreme

Sorry I'm a little late with this, but it's our holiday season.


The tracks I downloaded were fron an iTunes 'disc' that was re-mastered. I've now found that when I access other iTunes disc version's tracks of the same name, they tell me I've already bought them. This suggests that I'd better not waste my money on downloading any more tunes via iTunes.


You seem to have a lot of knowledge about this subject. Do you just so happen to know of anyway a person with just a normal computer, like me, can de-loud a song?

Jan 19, 2014 7:10 AM in response to macpomaus

macpomaus:


Once a song's original dynamic transients(the tallest spikes in a visible waveform of that song) are compressed or limited(chopped off), they cannot be recovered. Typically so-called remastering will remove anywhere from 3-8dB of the loudest spikes, and then apply a varying degree of compression(squeezing) to what remains. Finally, the track is peak-normalized to within a dB of full scale.(digital zero).



The average volume of the remaster in the first paragraph can be any where from 3-6dB LOUDER than the original track, which means your volume control will likely have to be set lower to hear at the same volume as the original, but something will be missing - the impact that made those parts of the song stand out.


Freeware such as "MP3Gain"(for mp3 files only) and iTunes own soundcheck both do a good job at matching the average volume(your perceived loudness) of modern songs and remasters vs original tracks and stuff from 20-40 years ago. That way you aren't constantly fiddling your volume control, but remember, those dynamics on the remasters are lost forever.



Just remember: I'm using the word "remaster" very loosely above; In a proper remastering, the only difference you should hear is a slight removal of background hiss, potentially fuller bottom and top, and correct left-right stereo channel balance. The original dynamic properties are left alone. Repeat: the process I described in my first paragraph is not remastering - it is sonic defamation of an artist's carefully thought out, recorded, and originally engineered work. If you listen to an original 1990 CD of your favorite artist, and then load in the "remastered" version, and have your ears blown off before you can reach the volume, that is NOT a remaster - LOLOL!! 😉 It has unfortunately given the phrase "digitally remastered" a very bad reputation, at least to my ears.

Jan 29, 2014 9:37 AM in response to iKLutzSupreme

Many thanks IKLutzSupreme for your valuable insight.


I'm in total agreement with you regarding 're-mastering'. There appears to be no respect for what the artist originally created.


I now know that there's nothing I can do to restore my wasted Dollars on this rubbish (being polite here).


One idea I have is to approach LP sellers with an offer to buy a LP from them and to resell it back, after I've recorded the tracks I want, for a much lower price. Hope it works because I'm never going to buy another song from iTunes again. As the saying goes 'once bitten, twice shy'.


Once again, thank you for the insight you gave me.

Jan 29, 2014 9:46 AM in response to macpomaus

macpomaus wrote:


Hope it works because I'm never going to buy another song from iTunes again.

You make it sound like you think the remastering is something Apple did.

It is the label that does the remastering.



One idea I have is to approach LP sellers with an offer to buy a LP from them and to resell it back, after I've recorded the tracks I want, for a much lower price

Once you sell the LP, you no longer have a legal right to keep the tracks you have recorded.

Jan 31, 2014 8:06 AM in response to Chris CA

I'll try again. Due to the Apple's opposition to anything not good about them, I cannot tell you what was I originally said.


God knows how bad it is to live in a very oppressed country like America. Especially when a company like Apple treat you like S. Can't say anymore as they will reject it.


Hope this will get through.


"We’ve removed your post Re: Remastering of songs because it contained either product feedback or feature requests."

Jan 31, 2014 8:12 AM in response to Chris CA

Hopefully, one of these will get to you.


Apple said "We’ve removed your post Re: Remastering of songs because it contained either product feedback or feature requests." What useless f'in wanker could say that when it would've been obvious to anyone with more than two brain cells thet my actual post was a suggestion to you about what Apple sould do?


If you live in America, god help you.

Feb 3, 2014 8:11 AM in response to iKLutzSupreme

This is my last post regaring this subject.You don't know how many posts I've had refused, espesially when I'm P'd (think about it) like now. Assuming you're an American, sorry, I find your whole ethos, standards and lanuage,c'p (think about it). I do have to find a way way around you're censorship laws,


However, whoever you are, Thank you. Your posts were most helpful. I now ,in a drunky way, know what I have to do,


Thank You, Bye.

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