Java-what to do?

tmgrl4 wrote:

I disabled Java in Safari, long time ago,but have JavaScript enabled since disabling it took so manyKing icons away.

That's correct. There is absolutely no relationship between Java and JavaScript other than the similarity in names. We are all talking about Java here. But I need to ask you to be as specific as you can with regard to the terminology here as to the versions of Java we are referring to and how they are being used.

This a.m. I got a notice from Java for an update to version 7 . I rejected it.

So you must have Java 7 installed and it most probably is also the version of the browser plug-in you have disabled.

When I went into Java settings it indicated that browser was disabled for security reasons and was checked that I was "up to date."

I assume that must have been in the Java Control Panel, which I am not able to use with my current setup, so I must rely on the description of it here. It does not surprise me that it is telling you that "browser was disabled for security reasons" since Apple has done that using their XProtect settings, but I don't understand how it could then say you were "up to date." having already said you need an update.

tmgrl4 wrote:

Not sure how to delete Java. Have to do a search.

To delete Java SE 7 folllow the instructions How do I uninstall Java 7 for my Mac?

I keep the icon for accessing Java in a Finder window.

Not sure what icon that would be. The Java Control Panel is normally opened from System Preferences->Java.

I assume that if I I install Java, version 7 , that won't affect the Safari usage of plugins as allowed by Apple...I do all my Apple and other updates.

Java SE 7 replaces the Safari plug-in formerly provided by Apple, but Apple still controls it's use via the Safari settings and the aforementioned XProtect system. If you enable Java in the Safari settings, then it will use Oracle's Java 7 plug-in, but only after you have updated it to Java SE 7u17. Should that become unsafe in the future, expect Apple to block it's use with an XProtect update. The latter comes to you automatically within 24 hours after Apple posts it, with no requirement to run Software Update.

So....I re-enabled Java in the browser in order to update my version 7SE (special edition) to get the critical patches required. It wouldn't update unless I reenabled it in Safari. Did the update, then went to Control Panel and checked security tab and it informed me that Java was disabled in my browser. So...looks like Mac did this as I have been hearing, once the update is done.

Which says to me...do the updates, then let Apple do whatever it is going to do. Javascripts still running, but my Java 7 SE is current with latest "critical" patch. Even at Java, they caution about problems with trying to uninstall and their are other threads in these forums about problems people have with trying to safely uninstall the program.

I will continue to do updates this way...leave well enough alone and not use it for Streaming Quotes. Scottrade employees in my local branch are aware that Java and other platform issues exist in regard to their clients with Apple products.

Thanks , MadMacs, for your input!

terri

I moved the Icon to the category OTHER in Sys Pref where I also keep Adobe Acrobat Reader, so I can pull up those control panels quickly. I now have Java SE 7u17 and after I finished download and restarted,it was already disbaled in Safari browser, except for javascripts.

I should be good to go...

terri

tmgrl4 wrote:

Also, everything I have read is don't try to uninstall Java...too linked, too many shared files.

That is correct, my reference to uninstalling Java only refers to Oracle's Java SE 7.

So, I simply don't do any more updates from Javace I used full program.

To me that is short-sited. If you or anybody using your computer should suddenly decide that they must enable Java in Safari to do some task, it would be with an out-of-date version which may or may not be blocked at the time.

oddly, Java tells ME that all updates have been done. Despite my requiring I be notified before installing and rejecting that last one, maybe two. When I clicked on update today in Java Settings, said I was up to date, yet I rejected this a.m.'s request to install latest update.

Yes, as I said before, I don't understand how that could be without automatic updates enabled. Can you tell us all what version of Java 7 is installed, so that we can all be certain you are up-to-date?

Also, seems as though my disabling Java in browser, but allowing java scripts has caused me no problems.

Again, JavaScripts does not equal Java scripts. Those are two unrelated technologies.

Nowhere, do I see an easy way to uninstall Java 7. If someone has one that doesn't require typing in all kinds of commands and removing elements....it should come with uninstall, but it doesn't and of course it can't just be dragged to trash.

Previously provided.

We crossed posted. I agree with what you have said...and yes...I am now updated, but browser enablement was unchecked when I looked in Safari preferences and in Control Panel for Java. I know what you mean about Java Scripts.....that they are unrelated. I didn't know that until recently. No reason to uninstall.

I teach computers /usage to seniors, am a senior myself, so like to learn as much as I can about all aspects of computer usage. Most of my "students" really want VERY basic stuff.

I had one student in an Intro to Digital Camera course, call me over during one-to-one and ask some questions. She said she was "pretty good" with computers, but her questions begged to differ. She said her PC at home was running so slowly, sometimes freezing up. My first question. Of course, you do all your updates? She said

"What's an update?" No one knows everything in this realm, but together we can come up with good help. But,

What's an update I will never forget!

Thanks again.

terri

I'm still unable to keep up, so again I'm one reply behind.

tmgrl4 wrote:

So....I re-enabled Java in the browser in order to update my version 7SE (special edition) to get the critical patches required. It wouldn't update unless I reenabled it in Safari.

Interesting.

went to Control Panel and checked security tab and it informed me that Java was disabled in my browser. So...looks like Mac did this as I have been hearing, once the update is done.

I've been told by a colleague that there is a known problem with the Java Control Panel in that respect. Go to How do I test whether Java is working on my computer? It will tell you whether it is disabled or not.

Javascripts still running

Please don't bring this up again and it's JavaScript not Javascripts or Java scripts....

Scottrade employees in my local branch are aware that Java and other platform issues exist in regard to their clients with Apple products.

I'd be curious to know what these are, but not really important.

Oops....sorry JavaScript. Hands slapped and taken.

BTW, I reopened my broswer just now and all was enabled again in Safari preferences, Java and JavaScript.

Did I get that right???

ScottradeELITE didn't work properly at all when it first came out. I tried it on and off as time went on, but it was just not working well and tech staff at ST said they were aware of this and then, an interesting comment....it was too bad since many of their more affluent customers used Apple products.

Anyhow. I am sorted out. I will remember Java Script and you could have corected my nicely by saying simply it is JavaScript not Javascripts.

tmgrl4 wrote:

I reopened my broswer just now and all was enabled again in Safari preferences, Java and JavaScript.

Not sure how that could have happened, but virtually all the experts (I'm not one of them) including the US Department of Homeland Security's CERT folks continue to say that Java should always be disabled in all your browsers except for the short period of time you must visit a trusted site that requires it's use. All of the recent threats have been of the so-called Zero-Day varienty, in that they show up without warning and almost no A-V software is able to stop it. Here's a site where you can keep track of the latest: http://java-0day.com/

you could have corected my nicely by saying simply it is JavaScript not Javascripts.

Sorry, but it was my third attempt at trying to eliminate even discussing it here.

Apology accepted. I am new to Apple products. All within past 11 months, I bought my iMac, iPad (new, some call 3) iPad mini and, recently, iPhone 5. So, my learning curve is less steep than it was thanks to Apple products being so intuitive. I am also 70 years old, but try to keep "young" with new learning

Also, yesterday, my Mail App had my e-mail accounts knocked offline and I spent 3 hours plus with Apple Express and Optimum Mail. Sorted it out....but guess my focus today on Java came back this a.m. with the update download request appearing, and I was tired of tackling Java as a problem .

Your info has been very helpful. We all come to forums to learn and sometimes we all make mistakes as I know people do when they step into my areas and domains of professional expertise (not computers) so , at best, trying to be courteous when people are frustrated and.or trying to learn, is a good thing.

Thanks again for apology. I did get it all sorted out and feel like I can move forward now with Java.

Sorry for my typing errors, too. I am going to uncheck that box again in the Safari preferences. You make sense and that is what I have been reading up till this point.

terri