Equalizing volume on burned CDs

I make playlists in iTunes 6.0.4 (3) that I like to burn to CDs (in iTunes) for use in my car and elsewhere. With older CDs, the volume gain is significantly lower than more current CDs. When iTunes burns the CD, there can be a big jump or drop in volume as it moves from track to track, depending on the gain of the original source CD. The preferences check-box under Advanced / Burning for "Use Sound Check" doesn't seem to do much, if anything to help. (Sound Check actually works quite well for this when just using iTunes to play the playlist from the computer - so it seems like there might be somthing wrong with the Burning version of Sound Check.)

Is there other software I should try that's relatively easy to assemble and burn playlist CDs with, that also allows volume tweaking of the tracks for the burn?

Any other suggestions?

Thanks.

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Posted on May 13, 2006 3:01 PM

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May 13, 2006 3:45 PM in response to Jess Smith1

Soundcheck does not do it's job well. I don't know which criteria it is based on, but I don't like it either.
The best (in my opinion) application for burning CDs is Jam (Roxio.com).
This program allows you to normalize a CD, adjust gain of individual tracks, create crossfades etc. Perfect!
There are two disadvantages.
Jam cannot burn purchased music and it is not cheap.
Despite that, I do not regret having purchased it. It is fully Red Book compliant and creates perfect audio CDs.

Other applications which burn Audio CDs are Dragon Burn and DiscBlaze
Both offer a trial download, but I don't know if they allow normalizing or adjusting gain (I didn't try them yet).

Hope this helps.

M

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May 14, 2006 3:03 AM in response to Jess Smith1

If your source files are MP3s or unprotected AACs, you can use MacMP3Gain to apply ReplayGain adjustments to the files prior to burning. This works better than any "normalization" routine, and it's free.

If you don't want to make permanent changes to the files in your iTunes library, you can copy the playlist you want to burn to disc and then run MacMP3Gain on the copied files prior to burning. If the source files are from different CDs (i.e. not just a collection of complete albums), then you would want to use track (radio) gain instead of album gain, and set the target gain value to 89 dB. After you burn the desired disc(s), you can just delete the new playlist you've made and move the files to the trash. You'll still have your unaltered files just where they were in your iTunes library.

May 14, 2006 9:04 AM in response to Hawaiian_Starman

A big wave to Hawaii 🙂

What I'm really waiting for in terms of an easier solution is the addition of ReplayGain utilities to Max. I'm actually thinking of e-mailing the author with a proposal/request regarding this.

If there were ReplayGain utilities in Max, this really would be ideal. For real audio enthusiasts, they can rip their CDs perfectly and archive them in a number of lossless formats, including (but not limited to) FLAC and Apple Lossless. ReplayGain could scan a user's music archive based on some defined rules (as a single album, multiple album by tags, single tracks, etc.) and simply write some ReplayGain information to the files without altering the audio. Then, when using Max as a file encoder/converter, one would have the option to apply the ReplayGain adjustments specified in the tags of the lossless source files. So, ultimately, iTunes users could have all their volume/gain adjustment needs taken care of during encoding, so they could just leave Sound Check switched off for playback and CD burning.

For the moment, though, MacMP3 Gain is a good solution, though users need to be sure what they're doing before they make permanent changes to their files. That's why it's important to make a copy of the files to be process prior to applying the adjustments, since the process is irreversible.

May 14, 2006 9:52 AM in response to NoName

For the moment, though, MacMP3 Gain is a good solution, though users need to be sure what they're doing before they make permanent changes to their files. That's why it's important to make a copy of the files to be process prior to applying the adjustments, since the process is irreversible.

Thanks again. I'll be sure to make copies of the affected files before surfing this path~~~~~~!

Jun 10, 2006 9:18 PM in response to Hawaiian_Starman

Well, I tried a couple of things:

Dragon Burn, and its "Volume Balancing" function works well on a Mix CD made up of older/softer and newer/louder originals. And it lets you simply import an iTunes playlist -- and then burns it out of the iTunes Library. But it does not burn purchased iTunes music (protected MP4 files), and instead burns a track of the appropriate length of pure silence.

I also tried using the Volume Adjustment function under the "Options" tab when you choose "Get Info" of a highlighted song. This gives you a little control of the volume output, but if you need to drag the slider to +100%, it also adds quite a bit of distortion -- not good.

Based on comments here, it seems that MacMP3 Gain does not work with protected files, either. But if the purchased music does not need volume tweaking, maybe it is still a solution for the other files that do need the help.

Can one of you describe the procedure that you mean by making a copy of the files to be adjusted by MacMP3 Gain, since as I understand it, you only have one copy of the song in the Library, and the playlists are just "markers" for the songs in the Library, not copies of the song files. If you made copies of the songs, where would you put them? Alongside the original in the Library (with a modified title)?

Thanks for any suggestions. Still searching for a good solution.

Jess.

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Jun 10, 2006 10:28 PM in response to Jess Smith1

If you made copies of the songs, where would you put them? Alongside the original in the Library (with a modified title)?

Well, if you are burning music files outside of iTunes, then simply set up a separate folder in the top level of your Music Folder (keep it out of the iTunes folder). Next, drag this file into the Sidebar of the Finder so you can easily locate it for the next step.

Then simply click on each song file you want to burn (located in your iTunes folder) - then while holding down the option key drag the song to the new folder in the Finder's sidebar.

The result is a fresh copy of the music file, leaving the iTunes files intact, while giving you a duplicate file to modify. Also, you won't have to change the song title, since the duplicate is now in a different folder than the original.

Once completed the copying, you can begin the process of burning in Dragon Burn, modifying the volume where necessary following NoNames suggestions above.

When you're finished, you can either retain the copied song files for possible future use, or trash them.



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Message was edited by: Hawaiian_Starman

Jun 11, 2006 8:07 AM in response to Hawaiian_Starman

Since Dragon Burn (or any of these other utilities) won't allow burning of purchased iTunes music (protected MP4s), I'm stuck with burning from within iTunes, for now.

So what I'm wondering is what the procedure is for making copies of the songs I want to modify with MacMP3 Gain -- and then subsequent burning in iTunes from an iTunes Playlist. Again, I believe the "songs" in an iTunes Playlist, are not copies of the songs in the iTunes Library, but just aliases linking to the song files in the Library, so I don't see how simply copying the Playlist for modifying with MacMP3 Gain would work without permanantly modifying the originals, too. But, I'm not sure.

Jess.


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Jun 11, 2006 9:24 AM in response to Jess Smith1

So what I'm wondering is what the procedure is for making copies of the songs I want to modify with MacMP3 Gain -- and then subsequent burning in iTunes from an iTunes Playlist. Again, I believe the "songs" in an iTunes Playlist, are not copies of the songs in the iTunes Library, but just aliases linking to the song files in the Library, so I don't see how simply copying the Playlist for modifying with MacMP3 Gain would work without permanantly modifying the originals, too.

If you are making copies of songs per my instructions, those songs will reside outside of iTunes. Now, here's a trick for keeping them physically out of the Library.

After establishing the songs in a separate folder, go to iTunes preferences>advanced>general and uncheck "copy files to iTunes Library when adding to Library".

Next, File menu>Add to Library (select the songs you want to import). Now, it becomes a matter of moving those songs into a playlist and voila. So the iTunes data base now points to the song's location, which is outside of the iTunes Library. If you cmd I in iTunes on one of these songs, you'll see this.

When completed with the import, remember to return to iTunes Preferences and recheck the "copy files to..." box. Otherwise, the next time you import, only the song titles etc. make it into iTunes.

To readily identify the songs you just imported while eliminating duplicate titles, add a slight modification to each song title via the Finder and copy/paste prior to importing. This helps you distinguish the song file from its iTunes original. You could probably use Automator or an Apple Script to speed up this process, especially if you have a lot of song titles. If you have any questions about using either, you can post the question in the Automator forum.

For example, if a song were titled "I'll be there" - you could use (without quotes) "( ) I'll be there" or "I'll be there ( )" for the modified version. Then it becomes easy to find the songs when moving it to the playlist in iTunes. For example you simply type ( ) in iTunes Spotlight window. All Songs with ( ) appear - highlight them, right click for the contextual menu>add to playlist (assuming you have already created the Playlist folder), and you're good to go.

Again, creating these song tracks outside of iTunes leaves your originals unaffected by any modifications.



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Jun 11, 2006 10:00 AM in response to Hawaiian_Starman

Probably while you were writing the above, I was experimenting with one of my problem Playlists:

I went to the Finder: home/Music/iTunes/iTunes Music, then found the individual songs I wanted to copy and used the "Duplicate" function in the finder, which put a copy of those songs into the folder, then I dragged those copies into iTunes, so they were recognized by the Library. Then I chose to see "Date Added" and "Date Modified" columns in my iTunes Library (to help distinguish between the copies), and appended all the copied songs with "(Gain)" on the end of the song title. Then I made new Playlists using only these copied "(Gain)" files, and ran MacMP3 Gain on those playlists, with a Target MP3 Gain Value of 92 db (slightly higher than the default of 89 db, but since I can't modify any purchased music, 89 db would make the modified files too soft compared to purchased music files I may add to the Playlist before burning a CD).

I think this is going to work (but it is a lot of extra effort). But something I'm wondering: Does MacMP3 Gain increase the apparent volume of softer tracks as well as lowering the apparent volume of louder tracks, or does it only decrease the volume of louder tracks? I can't quite tell yet.

I've burned two test CDs, one with purchased music and one without, and I'm going to listen to them today to see how effective this process was. I may also experiment with slightly higher Gain value (93-96) to see what that does for me. But, I think to do that I have to repeat the steps of making copies of the files to modify, since I'm not sure it would be effective to gain-modify an already modified file.

Jess.


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Jun 11, 2006 10:47 AM in response to Jess Smith1

Don't know the answer to the MacMP3 question, as I haven't used it. I look forward to hearing about the results of your experiments. I've been wanting to modify the volume on some of my playlists but haven't quite found the time to do so.

Seems we're on the same wavelength about modifying the song titles. As I mentioned, make sure you deselect the preference setting prior to import to keep the physical files out of the iTunes Library.

Jun 13, 2006 6:27 PM in response to Hawaiian_Starman

Hey H_S,

I received a reply from support at Dragon Burn that answers a key question, and provides a possible work-around -- here's what they said:

"Dragon Burn does not support protected AAC songs purchased from iTMS. This is a DRM restriction imposed by Apple and there is nothing we can do at this time. One manual work around would be to use iTunes to burn the M4P files to an audio CD then use it (or rip the songs to AIFF) to master your own mix CD using Dragon Burn.


Best Regards,
NTI Technical Support
(949) 421-0712 M-F 8-5pm PT"


I'm going to try that (burn my purchased songs to a CD with iTunes) and see if I can link to that as a remote library to burn in Dragon Burn.

Otherwise, I've listened to my test CDs I made with MacMP3 Gain, set to a target Gain of 92 db. That works pretty well, but it seems to me that MacMP3 Gain cannot "raise" the gain of softer tracks, but mainly "lowers" the gain of all, and mostly effecting the louder tracks. I have a query out to MacMP3 Gain concerning this, but so far, no answer. While 92 db seems to be a good match to the level of purchased MP4s, it doesn't lower the overall gain enough to fully resolve the mismatch with quieter (older CD) tracks.

I'm going to try a few mixes using Target Gains of 89 and 90 db to see if that works.

I'll let you know as soon as I have more.

Jess.

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