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I cannot hear others on iChat but they can hear me

I use Messages (formerly iChat) ever morning to video chat with my mom and brother. For some odd reason, today, I cannot hear them but they can hear me. I have rebooted twice and run Repair Permissions, Disk Repair and cleaned out caches. Still nothing. I was able to use Facetime with my brother and I could hear him that way (from my Mac). I have checked my Sound preferences in Messages and System Preferences and all is right. I even tried sharing Desktops with my mom and no sound. What else can I try?

MacPro Quad-Core 2.66GHz, 4GB RAM, 4 internal SATA drives, Mac OS X (10.7.2), Airport Extreme, 30MB cable internet

Posted on Feb 16, 2013 9:24 AM

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Feb 19, 2013 9:32 AM in response to Linda Cameron

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Feb 19, 2013 11:52 AM in response to Linda Cameron

Hi Linda,


I notice the thread has been very busy whilst I have been sleeping working and eating.


Linc seems to be on to something but he also doing things in Terminal that I don't understand and would not do.


I am presuming that you have had the Buddy check their System Preferences > Sound > Input and iChat settings are using the same Mic.


I would next consider your Output settings.


In System Preferences > Sound > Output is it set to any device other than Internal Speakers or the Line out with Headphones Connected ?

User uploaded file

Is the iChat/Messages setting in the App Menu > Preferences > Video section set to the same device/output ?

If there is only one choice the app may have the item greyed out.


IF....

This is a Headset of Any description ('phones and Mic) then change the out put in System Preferences > Sound > Output to anything else.

Do the same in iChat/Messages

Then set the System Preferences > Sound > Output "First"

Then change the App's selection to the same device.


This is normally an issue for Blue Tooth Headsets and some other regular ones which also need the Mic set up in System Preferences > Sound > Input before it is done in the App.


If...

it is an external Sound device (mAudio or similar) that uses firewire to connect and can do MIDI then go to Applications/Utilities and open MIDI Audio Set up

Make sure the Input and the Output are at 44100 or 48000





User uploaded file
7:51 PM Tuesday; February 19, 2013

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 iMac 2.5Ghz 5i 2011 (Mountain Lion 10.8.2)
 G4/1GhzDual MDD (Leopard 10.5.8)
 MacBookPro 2Gb (Snow Leopard 10.6.8)
 Mac OS X (10.6.8),
 Couple of iPhones and an iPad
"Limit the Logs to the Bits above Binary Images."  No, Seriously

Feb 19, 2013 12:07 PM in response to Ralph-Johns-UK

Ralph,

I am using an external iSight camera for my microphone. It is plugged into my FireWire port 800 using an adapter (since the iSight camera was FW400). It has worked fine for years this way.


I have tried switching to Internal Speakers but what I generally use are external speakers and Line Out under the Output in Sound Preferences. And yes, I have the same settings in Messages as System Preferences.


It isn't just one person whom I cannot hear with a video-chat using Messages. It is everybody. It worked great up until a few days ago. Everybody I have tried a chat with can hear me just fine. We can see each other fine also. I cannot hear them at all. However, I was able to try out FaceTime with a couple of people and it worked from my Mac.

Feb 19, 2013 12:46 PM in response to Linda Cameron

Hi,


This is Odd. (Capital O)


One app, One User.

That suggests a .plist somewhere.


I would try the following:-

In the Preferences > Video Section toggle the Sound Out put choice if you can.

This will write the device choice to the com.apple.ichat.plist (it will still be this one with Messages)


If you cannot toggle it to something else (it is a single greyed out choice) then in the Finder > Go Menu > Go to Folder and type ~/Library/Preferences into the Dialogue box that appears.

Then find com.apple.ichat.plist and drag it to the Trash.

Restart Messages.


If that does not work then go to System Preferences > Sound > Output

Toggle the Output choice (I can choose between the Headphones (which is in fact an External Speaker set) and two Apple TVs that the iMac can see)

This in turn writes to the Users com.apple.systempreferences.plist


NOTE

In the Finder > View Menu > Show View Options I have the Modified Column Ticked

I used this in The Preferences Folder (highlight the Modified Column) to see what was getting changed at what point.


it is possible to set different input or Output devices to different Apps.

This does allow some arrangement of different Volumes set for different devices.


I did notice that when changing the System Preferences > Sound > Output choice the the Master (Output) volume became 0 (zero) at one point.


User uploaded file
8:45 PM Tuesday; February 19, 2013

Please, if posting Logs, do not post any Log info after the line "Binary Images for iChat"


 iMac 2.5Ghz 5i 2011 (Mountain Lion 10.8.2)
 G4/1GhzDual MDD (Leopard 10.5.8)
 MacBookPro 2Gb (Snow Leopard 10.6.8)
 Mac OS X (10.6.8),
 Couple of iPhones and an iPad
"Limit the Logs to the Bits above Binary Images."  No, Seriously

Feb 19, 2013 6:27 PM in response to Ralph-Johns-UK

Ralph,

I have toggled the output sound from Internal Speakers to Line out. Hasn't helped. I got rid of all the iChat plist files I could find the other day, but will try again.


Now that iChat is called Messages and my Apple ID is set for iMessage, if I try to use iChat without logging into an AIM account, I have no Buddy List available to try it out. I set up an AIM account with my Apple ID and am using that, but for days, it hasn't had any sound coming in on my end from the people I am video chatting with.


I am starting to think the only way to fix this is to erase the hard drive and reinstall everything fresh but I don't really want to do that. A Time Machine backup would be better to reinstall from but then wouldn't I be putting back the same problem?


I can boot from another hard drive and use Messages and it works correctly. I might just start using that other hard drive to boot from but I really don't like that idea for a workaround. I would like to use what I have been using and have it all work right.


Thanks for your help.

Linda

Feb 20, 2013 9:03 AM in response to Linc Davis

I think what I am going to do is wait for my Time Machine backup to finish (says it will be about 8 hours), then erase my old Time Machine backup drive and install a new system and see if I can set it up to work for me as a boot drive. It won't be any more work than erasing this one and starting over but I will still have this one to use if for some reason I am not happy with the new one. I'll let you know how that works out.

Thanks for all the help.

Feb 20, 2013 12:23 PM in response to Linda Cameron

HI,


I would agree with Linc.

Using a Time Machine back up to replace everything is likely to re-import whatever the issue is.


Using a Back up though to re-install your Pics, Music and Documents etc but not copying the whole Home folder (That will replace the Library and the Preferences which is where the issue is most likely being held)


Couple of things.


I tend to try and be specific about which .plist(s) to remove in iChat or Messages.

Such as removing one that says com.apple.iChat.Yahoo.plist when you have not Yahoo account will not be doing anything.



com.apple.iChat.AIM.plist

Holds the State of any AIM Login

com.apple.iChat.Jabber.plist

Holds what State any and all Jabber logins are in

com.apple.iChat.LSSharedFileList.plist

Holds the info about the Recent Items Lists in the File Menu

(The number is set in System Preferences > General Pane).

com.apple.iChat.plist

Holds everything from the Preferences except Accounts but also some Menu Items settings

com.apple.iChat.StatusMessages.plist

Holds Any Saved Status Messages you have created

com.apple.iChat.SubNet.plist

Holds info about any Bonjour Enables account and it's State

com.apple.iChat.Yahoo.plist

As Jabber and AIM .plist but for Yahoo

com.apple.iChatAgent.plist

Holds info about the Listing order of the "iTunes Playing" Script whether the Camera is "On" or "Off",

Your current Buddy pic, AIM Profile info set in this Mac User Account's Login to AIM and Screen Sharing Status.


In this case deleting them all is unlikely to cause any issue as they are all recreated on Messages Started up if not present.

However in some case it can be more "destructive" than you might want to be.



As a test In may pay to to remove the whole contents of the Preferences Folder (Place in another folder on the Desktop).

If Messages now has Incoming Audio then we know it is either a specific .plist or an interaction between two.

If this works I would place back all the non com.apple ones (All the third party apps ones)

I would divide the com.apple ones into half and place them back in the Preferences folder, then half the remainder until Messages has an Issue on a Restart and Video test (it is a long winded way to go to track the issue down).


In the past iChat has had issue with a Preference file not in the Users Library

In Hard Drive/Library/Preferences/Audio is a file called com.apple.audio.DeviceSettings.plist If this has been Migrated to this computer it may show old Sound items that no longer apply.


The thing is though that this .plist is supposed to be for all Users on the Mac (it lists Device and thigs like Stereo, Bit sample rates for MIDI and the like for input and output devices.

If you delete this then a computer restart is needed to recreate it.


User uploaded file
8:20 PM Wednesday; February 20, 2013

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 iMac 2.5Ghz 5i 2011 (Mountain Lion 10.8.2)
 G4/1GhzDual MDD (Leopard 10.5.8)
 MacBookPro 2Gb (Snow Leopard 10.6.8)
 Mac OS X (10.6.8),
 Couple of iPhones and an iPad
"Limit the Logs to the Bits above Binary Images."  No, Seriously


Message was edited by: Ralph Johns (UK) Changes layout of Blue Text as the post was a lot narrower then the "reply" text field)

Feb 20, 2013 7:47 PM in response to Ralph-Johns-UK

well, this is very strange. I erased a hard drive after doing a new Time Machine backup. I installed Mountain Lion, then I used Migration Assistant to transfer my User folder and settings. I did not transfer applications. When that finished, I tried Messages and it was working great. So I decided to use Migration Assistant to transfer my Applications. After transferring the applications, when I used Messages, I had no sound again.


I don't know how transferring over applications could cause me to have no sound. But it now looks like I might be able to erase the hard drive again and transfer settings and User Folder, but then I will install the applications one at a time, assuming Messages works again.

Feb 21, 2013 1:52 PM in response to Linda Cameron

Hi,


That sounds like you have discovered an failure in the app itself rather than anywhere else.


Copying back the Users Folder will include the Hidden Library and it's contents (Preferences in particular) - which in turn means it is not a .plist in the Home Folder//Library/Preferences to do with either Messages or the Audio settings in System Preferences.


In the past there have been Add-ons that have caused problems

See http://www.ralphjohns.co.uk/page16.html#addons


Add to that a bit from lower on the page


Other Known Problems


There are several other applications that iChat 3 does not seem to like.

folding@home

This is a application that uses spare processor time to help find protein chains for a University.


PostgreSQL

This is a data base application that can be reset to allow more processor time for iChat. See here http://www.murraywilliams.com/blog/archives/000046.html
And Here Thanks to Nigel Gilbert for this link.


Lotus Notes

Some people have reported problems with this.


These go back to iChat 2 in Panther and iChat 3 in Tiger (OS X 10.4.x)


Later versions were also effected by SoundFlower's early versions.

SoundFlower is a System Preferences Add-on that can create various Aggregate Sound devices and also allow you to use the sound of one app in another.

Quite often it seemed it to alter the sound sample rate to do so and iChat is fussy about this.


Having said that I have not seen these types of issues for a long time.

Even Old version of iGlasses that don't work in Lion or Mountain Lion do not effect the Sound.


You can take two things for this:-


1) One it is now rare


2) it can be any add-on to anywhere in the system and not just iChat or Sound ones.



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User uploaded file
9:51 PM Thursday; February 21, 2013

Please, if posting Logs, do not post any Log info after the line "Binary Images for iChat"


 iMac 2.5Ghz 5i 2011 (Mountain Lion 10.8.2)
 G4/1GhzDual MDD (Leopard 10.5.8)
 MacBookPro 2Gb (Snow Leopard 10.6.8)
 Mac OS X (10.6.8),
 Couple of iPhones and an iPad
"Limit the Logs to the Bits above Binary Images."  No, Seriously

Feb 21, 2013 2:44 PM in response to Ralph-Johns-UK

Ralph, I erased that one hard drive again, reinstalled Mountain Lion, then transferred the User folder and Settings and instead of transferring the Applications, I am just installing ones I have to install or running some from other drives. It may take some tweaks for a while, but I think I can live with this now. iChat is working right finally! I never figured out what exactly caused the problem.


Thanks for all your help.

Feb 21, 2013 3:35 PM in response to Linda Cameron

Hi,


I would tend to agree with Linc, something that you had as an Application or possibly even a System Preference pane is effecting the Audio with Messages.


Obviously as of yet you have not re-added it to the set up.


I would tend to test after adding back or Installing each item



User uploaded file
11:35 PM Thursday; February 21, 2013

Please, if posting Logs, do not post any Log info after the line "Binary Images for iChat"


 iMac 2.5Ghz 5i 2011 (Mountain Lion 10.8.2)
 G4/1GhzDual MDD (Leopard 10.5.8)
 MacBookPro 2Gb (Snow Leopard 10.6.8)
 Mac OS X (10.6.8),
 Couple of iPhones and an iPad
"Limit the Logs to the Bits above Binary Images."  No, Seriously

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