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OrangeMarlin Level 5 Level 5 (5,130 points)

I am confused. Is Java available or not available for Mountain Lion (other than a 3rd party version). I'm not a huge fan of Java, but unfortunately WordPress plug-ins, and Facebook developer tools all use Java. I thought Apple removed it, but I just read a news report that there's an update available. If it's still available, how do I re-install it?


iMac (27-inch, Late 2012), OS X Mountain Lion (10.8.2), 16GB, 1GB video, 1TB drive
  • 1. Re: Java for OSX Mountain Lion
    varjak paw Level 10 Level 10 (169,765 points)

    Java for Mountain Lion is only available from Oracle, who since their purchase of Sun Microsystems is the owner of the Java technology. The update from Apple is for Mac OS X 10.6 other than the patch that disables the Java plugin from browsers in other versions of OS X.

     

    Regards.

  • 2. Re: Java for OSX Mountain Lion
    Lanny Level 5 Level 5 (4,485 points)

    If it's still available, how do I re-install it?

     

    Here: http://www.java.com/en/download/index.jsp

  • 3. Re: Java for OSX Mountain Lion
    OrangeMarlin Level 5 Level 5 (5,130 points)

    Just so I'm clear, because I thought I was until I read the press release, Apple no longer has Java functionality within ML (which I recalled). After it disappeared in Lion, I had downloaded the Oracle version, which I installed.

  • 4. Re: Java for OSX Mountain Lion
    OrangeMarlin Level 5 Level 5 (5,130 points)

    I need to be clearer. I already have Java installed, from Oracle. I apparently misread the press release, thinking that Apple recently reversed course on Java and had put it in ML, hence the Java update.

  • 5. Re: Java for OSX Mountain Lion
    Lanny Level 5 Level 5 (4,485 points)

    Yes, you misread it. The latest update is from Oracle.

     

    Use the Java System Preference to check for updates:

     

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  • 6. Re: Java for OSX Mountain Lion
    OrangeMarlin Level 5 Level 5 (5,130 points)

    I'm sorry, but you need to read this Lanny. I don't misread stuff.

     

    http://support.apple.com/kb/ht5573

     

    The update is from Apple. And it clearly states it's for OSX 10.7 or later.

  • 7. Re: Java for OSX Mountain Lion
    OrangeMarlin Level 5 Level 5 (5,130 points)

    Lanny. Looked to the left. Do you see how many points I've accumulated. Read above. Do you see where I've stated that I have Oracle installed? I'm specifically discussing why Apple is stating that APPLE has an update to Java for OSX 10.7 and 10.8. This is confusing.

  • 8. Re: Java for OSX Mountain Lion
    Lanny Level 5 Level 5 (4,485 points)

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    The Apple update removes SE6, but notes that you'll have to go to Oracle to get SE7.

  • 9. Re: Java for OSX Mountain Lion
    baltwo Level 9 Level 9 (60,115 points)

    FWIW, Apple released new updates for Java, which updates the Apple-provided system Java SE 6 to version 1.6.0_41 for Mac OS X v10.6 and a corresponding one for Lion/ML. AFAICT, they're only available via Software Update, since the two at  http://support.apple.com/downloads/ point to the previous versions (too busy to keep everything organized) and not the new ones.  

  • 10. Re: Java for OSX Mountain Lion
    Bill999 Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Sorry to belabor this, but is there any benefit to installing Apple's update if Oracle's Java 1.7 is already installed? Does Oracle's Java automatically remove Apple's 1.6, or so they co-exist?

  • 11. Re: Java for OSX Mountain Lion
    thomas_r. Level 7 Level 7 (27,960 points)

    I am confused. Is Java available or not available for Mountain Lion (other than a 3rd party version). I'm not a huge fan of Java, but unfortunately WordPress plug-ins, and Facebook developer tools all use Java. I thought Apple removed it, but I just read a news report that there's an update available. If it's still available, how do I re-install it?

     

    Apple has washed their hands of Java. They are still updating Java 6, which can be installed in systems all the way up to Mountain Lion. (Trying to open anything that requires Java should prompt you to install it.) Java 6 no longer includes a web applet plug-in, though, so you would be required to install one from Oracle if you want that. Alternately, just install Java 7 from Oracle (the actual developers of Java). The latest Java exploit that's in the news today apparently only affected Java 6 and earlier.

     

    However, installing Java for things like WordPress plug-ins and Facebook tools is foolhardy. Java has a long track record of being hacked repeatedly, and has proven itself to be extremely insecure. It should not be used unless your very livelihood depends on it, and even then only with extreme caution. I've never encountered a WordPress plugin that requires Java, and though I have no experience with Facebook development, I doubt that Java is a requirement there. (If it is, that's just another reason to quit using Facebook.)

     

    Really, using Java is like sharing Typhoid Mary's toothbrush.

  • 12. Re: Java for OSX Mountain Lion
    harrharr Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Well, now I'm really confused!

     

    I had Java 7 installed, uninstalled it early january and so I thought I would not have java anymore on my iMac.

    Now the update from today installed an update for java 6 ? And I noticed that my firefox suddenly got a java-plugin? Btw, I don't have a java symbol in my preferences, but a java plugin in the library and javavm folder hanging around somewhere.

    I didn't want to get back java, so can anyone explain me how I can get rid of this again and why I got it on my machine?

  • 13. Re: Java for OSX Mountain Lion
    thomas_r. Level 7 Level 7 (27,960 points)

    You can have multiple versions of Java installed at one time, and Java really isn't something that can be easily uninstalled. But don't bother... it's just Java in the web browser that is the problem. Disable it in your web browser(s) and you're fine.

  • 14. Re: Java for OSX Mountain Lion
    harrharr Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Thanks for the clarification.

     

    Yeah, I have them all disabled already, but they should not be there at all. This is all so userunfriendly and I hate such things. Now it seems I always have to check all browsers and stuff everytime there is an update.

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