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The clipboard converts JPG data to TIFF

I just had a go 'round with senior apple tech, about an issue I'd expect people to be jumping up and down about, but there's hardly a complaint.


Essentially Apple has verified a clipboard issue in Snow Leopard and Mountain Lion, a problem that affects Apple Mail and Pages, and perhaps other applications. I first consciously encountered the issue when using Apple Mail, so I'll describe it in that context.


When I copy a portion of a jpeg (or make a screenshot) it pastes into Apple Mail as a TIFF file. (NOTE :I do this a lot, because I need to quicly send cropped portions of existing images, without cropping, saving, attaching, remembering to remove unneeded saved image from hard drive ...)


Here's an all-Apple scenario:


  • Open a JPG in Preview
  • Select a portion of the JPG
  • Copy
  • Paste inline into Apple Mail
  • Send the email
  • Open the Sent Mail box, and look at the attachment type for the message sent
  • RESULT: The attachment is a TIFF file. JPG was copied / TIFF was sent


This is a big problem:


  1. the conversion to TIFF needlessly bloats the file size by four to eight times the original size
  2. worse, some email clients can't hand TIFFs, and can't display them inline.
  3. This clipboard problem seems to pervade Apple software, and is evident in Apple Pages. Somethin's rotten in the OS.


Other vendors handle pastes seemlessly. In mail applications like Entourage and Thunderbird ... ya copy a JPG it pastes a JPG. But Apple claims that the clipboard conversion is normal expected behavior, handled by Quicktime. In reality, it's a total pain, expected or not


I haven't looked into it, but I'd expect that after an image copy the clipboard may have more than one format in it. Consider the text clipboard, which often simultaneously contains: plain text, rich text, HTML, etc. The software receiving the paste should intelligently decide which format to take in on paste. Same should go for images. Even if the clipboard contains only TIFF data after copy/conversion, shouldn't the receiving app be able to request that QuickTime convert the TIFF to JPG on paste? If so, well, Mail could do that! I believe the application is responsible for chosing which format to paste— that's certainly true if there are more than one formats on the image clipboard, or if conversion is offered.


I hope to not have to resort to measures like third party clipboards:


http://www.jot.fm/issues/issue_2008_03/column2.pdf


https://discussions.apple.com/thread/545464?answerId=2662725022#2662725022


Here are some posts on Apple's forum complaining about this problem:


https://discussions.apple.com/search.jspa?resultTypes=&dateRange=all&peopleEnabl ed=true&q=clipboard+jpeg+tiff+convert&containerType=&container=&containerName=&u sername=&rankBy=relevance


After talking with six people at Apple (half who couldn't understand the issue), and after devoting two hours of my time to find a resolution or tenable workaround, I find it discouraging to recieve this responce from an Apple Senior advisor:


It does appear that the clipboard may save images to it as uncompressed TIFF files, instead, you can try opening the image in preview or dragging and dropping to avoid the clipboard. Again, I've come across workarounds like automated scrips and clipboard manager applications but I can't really make any recommendation or suggestions regarding third party apps.


What's the real problem here?


John

Posted on Mar 12, 2013 6:31 PM

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Aug 22, 2017 5:44 AM in response to John Blasquez

YO John, et al. I found a solution that'll solve the clipboard TIFF format problem, which is, how to copy an unnamed & unsaved image file to the clipboard, and then paste that clipboard-only image into, say, a Mail message as anything but TIFF, which Windoze people can't see & which is just way too big & lossless for everyday stuff anyway.


Apple's got a screenshot util in Sierra called Grab <Applications/Utilities/Grab.app>.

With it, a screenshot can be taken, which shows up in Grab as an unnamed/unsaved image, just as a "new" image pasted from the clipboard shows up in Preview.

Then, in Grab, unlike in Preview, you can Select All, then Copy that unnamed/unsaved image, and it'll then paste into a Mail message as an unnamed PNG image file. Despite that important difference between Grab & Preview, strangely, when a screenshot is saved for naming & locating in Grab, TIFF is the default format for saving that comes up, although JPG & PNG are also available in a DD menu.


I haven't explored Grab's file formatting yet, but I'd bet that its apparently native PNG format could be changed in Terminal probably so its unnamed screenshot format would be JPG. However, PNG's good enough for now. Having to save a file with a name & a location in Preview & then Select All & Copy it, Paste it into a Mail message or whatever, & then oftentimes immediately Trash the file ya just saved seems stupid and clumsy, so unlike Apple's usual excellence of procedures.

Try Grab! Works great. I just added it to my Finder's menubar next to Preview, & that's where it's going to stay until Apple gets the TIFF-in-clipboard-and-pasted-TIFF-in-Mail-messages issue, etc, mollified for Mac people.....

KK

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Aug 22, 2017 4:49 PM in response to Yer_Man

So you jumpin' down "jeffsyrop's" throat who posted his equally-behavior-correcting comment I've included down below too, mall cop? No? I don't see anything from you to that guy... Move your sites elsewhere and away from me, bucko mall cop. Is your zeroing in on me and ONLY me really worth your time? I'd say not. Or maybe so..... don't know you & what you think's important. In any case tho, grow the F up, or attack EVERYBODY in this thread who have made rude or uncivil or, as in my & jeffsyrop's case, "corrective" replies to anonymous malcontents skewering others for slight gaffs 'cause they're bored with life & to them their Facebook page is frustratingly getting old where their bells & whistles are losing their shininess.

adios

last post from me in this thread to trolling malcontents.......

KK



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May 17, 2017 6:34 PM Re: The clipboard converts JPG data to TIFFin response to thomas_r.

I can't believe how smug and unhelpful you are! Why would anybody want to paste a screen shot into Mail and have it be 8 times bigger in file size?! This is a simple issue, but prideful people are basically putting their hands over their ears and shouting so as not to hear.

Aug 22, 2017 5:25 AM in response to John Blasquez

YO John, et al. I found a solution that'll solve the clipboard TIFF format problem, which is, how to copy an unnamed & unsaved image file to the clipboard, and then paste that clipboard-only image into, say, a Mail message as anything but TIFF, which Windoze people can't see & which is just way too big & lossless for everyday stuff anyway.


Apple's got a screenshot util in Sierra called Grab <Applications/Utilities/Grab.app>.

With it, a screenshot can be taken, which shows up in Grab as an unnamed/unsaved image, just as a "new" image pasted from the clipboard shows up in Preview.

Then, in Grab, unlike in Preview, you can Select All, then Copy that unnamed/unsaved image, and it'll then paste into a Mail message as an unnamed PNG image file.

I haven't explored Grab's file formatting yet, but I'd bet that its apparently native PNG format could be changed in Terminal probably so its unnamed screenshot format would be JPG. However, PNG's good enough for now. Having to save a file with a name & a location in Preview & then Select All & Copy it, Paste it into a Mail message or whatever, & then oftentimes immediately Trash the file ya just saved seems stupid and clumsy, so unlike Apple's usual excellence of procedures.

Try Grab! Works great.

KK

Aug 22, 2017 6:05 AM in response to kevinkendall

kevinkendall wrote:


Hey Apple Discussions HTML people...... Add a "Delete post" button somewhere that one can delete one's own posts, usually mostly redundant posts, please.

Thanks. KK

The Hosts are not reading here for suggestions.


You have 15 minutes to edit your post once you've submitted it. If you feel your post was unnecessary during that time, you can remove everything but one character. I usually leave something like <removed as unnecessary> or <Oops, didn't check the date> or whatever is relevant.


But I agree with Csound1. A delete button would create a mess.

Aug 22, 2017 6:33 AM in response to kevinkendall

The clipboard has nothing to do with FILE formats. Any image on the clipboard is no longer a TIFF, JPEG, PNG, or any other raster file format. It's just uncompressed image pixel data waiting for you to do something with it. What app you paste that clipboard image into determines what file format it will be when saved to your drive from that app.

Aug 22, 2017 1:25 PM in response to Csound1

It's THEY who generally have the antagonistic forum attitudes, not us. At least, not most of us Mac lovers.

I started on Macs in '88 or so, got sucked into The Dark Side for 16 years, then went back to Mac. So I know Windows forum posters' not infrequent snippy, snarky troll-like attitudes towards those who make corrective behavioral comments, or who make slight gaffs in their posts, or etc etc. Hopefully we Mac discussion posters can be and remain appropriately civil & helpful & decent with & to one another. 😎 However, internet anonymity or virtual anonymity changes some people, and usually not for the better, so we'll see.

Love ya all man hehe

KK

Aug 22, 2017 1:40 PM in response to kevinkendall

So I know Windows forum posters' not infrequent snippy, snarky troll-like attitudes towards those who make corrective behavioral comments, or who make slight gaffs in their posts, or etc etc. Hopefully we Mac discussion posters can be and remain appropriately civil & helpful & decent with & to one another.


... said the guy whose first post in this thread was


Hey buddy...... bow out. You're not helpful, you're just always right about everything & apparently can't consider or see anything but that. The rest of us don't want to read such "help." Buhhby

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