Did I make a mistake upgrading to ML? Count the costs!

Talk about your string of circumstances. All I really needed was to eliminate hum from the soundtrack of an oral-history video recording. The simplest solution seemed to be to update iMovie. I was using '09, which has virtually no capability to edit audio.


Well, when I tried to download iMovie '11 I learned that it would not work with Snow Leopard. Since I'd been considering upgrading for some time (but NOT read any fine print), I back-tracked and downloaded Mountain Lion. Then I downloaded and installed iMovie '11.


THEN, I noticed thosse funny marks in my dock. When I tried these icons I got the dreaded message "You can't open the application [AppName] because PowerPC applications are no longer supported."


Apps effected: Adobe CS2; Adobe Bridge; Microsoft Office (2004); Epson Scan.


This was brand-new news to me. I have tried to find out what if anything I can do about the loss of these apps (everyone of them legally-purchased items), and apparently I'm just without alternatives. Current version of CS6, about $600. Cheapest MS Office, $80. This is a BAD TRADE for a $20 OS upgrade!


And Epson Scan? There's one for the books. Epson sends me to the Apple Store, saying that is the only place to get an upgrade. Apple Store sees no problems, and informs me that there are no upgrades available or needed. System Preferences/Print & Scan sees the scanner, so that's not the problem.


About the internal optical drive: Before the OSX upgrade, the drive was working nominally. I know, because I burned a number of disks within the last week or two. Now? The drive appears to recognize music CDs, but it WILL NOT recognize blank disk media. I have tried both Toast Titanium 7 (most recent) and since that wouldn't work I tried OSX's native disk burning function. In neither case will the drive admit that it has a blank disk inserted. I just ruminates for 15-20 seconds and spits the disk out.


I also have an older Plextor external optical drive. But Apple Support itself gives completely mixed counsel regarding whether or not Mountain Lion can be used with an external optical drive. One place says it will work; another place tells you to use a networked computer's optical drive (!); many other places say an external drive won't work at all. Hey Apple, make up your mind!


Now, I'm sure somewhere in fine legal print they informed me that PowerPC apps would no longer work with ML. But that information was well-hidden, and did not surface in any professional reviews I read. So these behaviors were a complete surprise to me, and not the pleasant sort.


Needless to say, I'm left feeling really ill-used by Apple. Sure, I've got an up-to-date operating system, but now I'm left counting the costs. And so should you. The technically-oriented in this community will perhaps sneer at my naivete. But you need to recognize that not all Apple clients are technically up to your standards. Give us a break!! [I myself have been using PCs intensively since the second-generation IBM PC in the late 1970's.]


I'm ticked. In case it's not obvious. And feeling let down by Apple. And I've been a cheer-leader for them for many years.

iMac, OS X Mountain Lion (10.8.3), PowerPC apps, internal optical drv

Posted on Mar 16, 2013 10:31 AM

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Mar 16, 2013 11:34 AM in response to Planmeister

I feel your pain! This happened to me with I replaced my dead iMac G5 with a new Mac Mini in August, 2011 and did not do my usual due diligence on Lion!


Try Apple's Image Capture application, provided for free in the Applications folder with your Epson. I use it all the time for my Epson Artisan 810.


Toast 7 is way too old; I think they are up to 11 or 12 now. But you should be able to burn discs from the Finder in any event.


Which iMac do you have; check the Model Identifier in About this Mac, More Info, System Report.


Since my Mac Mini has no optical drive, I use one that I purchased for $39 from Fry's some years ago to get the ability to burn DL DVDs and it seems to run fine in Lion with Toast 10.


Here is a "canned" answer I give for many in your situation. Study all of this and respond with more information so we can guide you to your solution:



Unfortunately you got caught up in the minor miracle of Rosetta. Originally licensed by Apple when it migrated from the PowerPC CPU platform that it had used from the mid-1990's until the Intel CPU platform in 2006, Rosetta allowed Mac users to continue to use their library of PPC software transparently in emulation.


However, Apple's license to continue to use this technology expired with new releases of OS X commencing with Lion (and now Mountain Lion). While educational efforts have been made over the last 6 years, the fact is that Rosetta was SO successful that many users were caught unaware UNTIL they upgraded to Lion or Mountain Lion.


Workarounds:


1. If your Mac will support it, restore OS X Snow Leopard;


2. If your Mac will support it, partition your hard drive or add an external hard drive and install Snow Leopard into it and use the "dual-boot" method to choose between your PowerPC software or Lion/Mt. Lion;


3. Upgrade your software to Intel compatible versions if they are available, or find alternative software that will open your data files, modify them and save them;


4. Install Snow Leopard Server (with Rosetta) into Parallels or VMWare Fusion for concurrent use of your PowerPC applications with Lion or Mt. Lion:


User uploaded file

[click on image to enlarge]


Apple has now restarted to sell Snow Leopard Server at a 95% discount over its original price: only $19.99 + sales tax & shipping; telephone orders only, call 800-MYAPPLE (800-692-7753) - Apple Part Number: MC588Z/A


NOTE: Computer games with complex, 3D or fast motion graphics may not work well or at all in virtualization.



I am surprised that the professional reviews did not mention the lack of Rosetta in Mountain Lion.


When one similarly frustrated poster here on this forum expressed his sentiment that Apple should have posted a big red flag about Mountain Lion not having Rosetta, I pulled out my PowerPC version of Photoshop and created the image above! 😉

Mar 18, 2013 10:43 AM in response to MlchaelLAX

For my computer details --


Hardware Overview:


Model Name: iMac [20-inch, early 2009]

Model Identifier: iMac9,1

Processor Name: Intel Core 2 Duo

Processor Speed: 2.66 GHz

Number of Processors: 1

Total Number of Cores: 2

L2 Cache: 6 MB

Memory: 8 GB

Bus Speed: 1.07 GHz

Boot ROM Version: IM91.008D.B08

SMC Version (system): 1.44f0

Serial Number (system): W8******0TF


Yeah, I don't do computer games, so that won't be an issue.

As far as Toast 7 being way too old, the issue is that my iMac under ML won't even recognize a blank disk (even in Finder). That's not Toast's fault, is it?

Of the work-arounds suggested, perhaps the most attractive is
#2, since I run several external drives already (two older Seagates on USB and a four-disk Drobo on FW800. However, "... use the "dual-boot" method" ***umes [I guess I'll have to say "presumes"!!!! Oh you Apple word-police, you!] I know how to do that, which I don't. Is there a reliable set of instructions somewhere to attempt this?


I hope I have a copy of Snow Leopard. << I see I have the disk for OSX 10.5.6. (Disk Ver 1.0). Will that work? >>

Thanks for your encouragement and suggestions. I was pretty discouraged.

Larry


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Mar 17, 2013 9:39 AM in response to Planmeister

Redemption, like prosperity, is just around the corner.


Snow Leopard can easily be purchased from the Apple Store for only $19.99. OS X Leopard 10.5.6, will not work.


You would boot from the Snow Leopard disc (hold down Command-C while booting) and then follow its instructions to install it into a specific external hard drive. Be sure to select CUSTOMIZE and check Rosetta (and IMHO, QuickTime 7).


After it is installed, on reboot, you can select Option key to get a choice of which drive/operating system to startup. This is also available before you reboot in System Preferences/Startup Disk.


Then you would startup in Snow Leopard to use your PowerPC applications or Mt. Lion as needed.


I am still somewhat confused by your inability to get your optical drive to format blank discs. What manufacturer/ model is it?

Mar 17, 2013 10:25 AM in response to MlchaelLAX

Optical Drive:

Optiarc DVD RW AD-5670S


Hope that helps.


IFurther info on that drive. I was having really variable operation (not playing music CDs, rejecting every other blank disk, etc.). So I bought a laser lens cleaner disk, ran it, and after that things were back to nominal. I made many CD-R copies of .dmg files I'd never backed up, and not one misfire.

Mar 18, 2013 9:16 AM in response to MlchaelLAX

Unfortunately, no. Everything is definitely NOT good with the ol' Optiarc. Here's the sequence (I wasn't clear before):


1. Optical drive (OD) working sporadically under Snow Leopard.


2. Read about cleaning the lens, so bought a cleaner disk, which I used, also under Snow Leopard.


3. Magically, the OD started working nominally. Still under Snow Leopard.


4. Installed Mtn Lion. OD now won't recognize any blank media, though it appears to recognize music CDs (like the audio tracks on the lens-cleaner disk).


I'll go through the steps you suggest. I have done recent backups of all important files, so fingers crossed. I'll let you know how it goes.


Thanks, MichaelLAX!

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