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Fatal flaw with MacBook Pro's?

Lately, more and more Mac users have with help of the application CoreDuoTemp reported that their MacBook Pro constantly runs at 1000 MHz. Those reports came from several locations, including online forums, comments to the application CoreDuoTemp itself and chat rooms. It has since been reported that the MacBook Pro computers don't dynamically clock themselves when the battery is removed, but instead clock the processor to a static 1000 MHz.

The Intel Core Duo processors have as you might know, a very useful feature that allows them to dynamically clock themselves after the load on your computer. If you simply are browsing the web it may clock itself to 1500 MHz (depending on the topspeed of your CPU) and when playing games it will boost itself to the max clockspeed. This is done to minimize heat and energy consumption. However, this technology seems to have failed on Apple's computers. If your battery is NOT inside your laptop it will stay at 1 GHz no matter what you would do. This will slow down your computer and consequentially you can't make use of the computers' true potential.

Whether this problem is present on all MacBook Pro computers is however still unknown as this problem has recently been discovered. It is also uknown whether the newly released MacBook computers are touched by the same problem since they use the same processors.

I encourage everyone to test their computers with Cinebench to check whether they are affected by the problem and report it here. Remove the battery from your laptop, run all test in Cinebench and then do the same but with the battery inserted. Compare the numbers and see for yourself whether your computer is affected by the problem. You can see my benchmarks at http://imelika.net/Benchmarks/MacBook%20Pro

Posted on May 21, 2006 4:50 AM

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May 21, 2006 9:14 AM in response to Christian Sormarken

I'm perhaps a bit of an oddity, but I got my mbp solely to run windows...
That being said, I tested this 'stuck a 1 ghz without the battery' and I got the same results. I shut down my computer, removed the battery, ran cpuz (which tells me the clock speed) and then fired up two instances of folding@home which quickly get the cpu usage to 100% and waited for the clock speed to jump from 1ghz to 2.16 like it usually does...and I'm still waiting. So this is a valid issue and it certainly needs to be fixed. I just installed that new firmware and such so...yeah.

May 21, 2006 9:43 AM in response to Christian Sormarken

So if I have no intention of running without a battery, I shouldn't worry right?

In no sense being judgemental, in fact, just curious but why do you run it without a battery? I usually do the initial battery conditioning thing then run off the battery, recharge, run off battery. I'm rather busy now but before starting residency I would recondition every 1-2 months. Eventually the original battery had to be replaced (2 years use) because that was before I realized that I should unplug the computer from AC from time to time (I think I read that here

May 21, 2006 10:06 AM in response to Christian Sormarken

Actually there is at least one good reason for using MBP without a battery - in airplanes. As it was discussed in another thread here MBP has 85W adapter and it's overloading airplane's 75W limited DC when you try to work and charge the battery simultaneously. So the only viable solution was to remove the battery (and you'll have to duct tape the magsafe 🙂

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May 21, 2006 10:57 AM in response to Anthony_01

Hi Anthony,

I think the one major point is that with the MBP specifically (and now the MB) - removing the battery even for the weight factor would be 'stupid'. The magsafe, by design, comes off so easily, even a simple bump would kill the system instantly if it had no battery.

I think the general thought is, (keep in mind, we are only talking MB or MBP here - not other brands) what reason would you have to remove the battery other than to store it in a closet for months?

Take care,
Devin

May 21, 2006 2:31 PM in response to David Ceddia

With that said, this is an interesting problem and it
would be cool to see some benchmarks with and without
the battery in, and see what happens. Surely there
are a few scientist types out there who wouldn't mind
pulling the battery out for a few minutes?


If you check Christian's link you will see there are numbers. As to how scientific they are, like a lot of online sites and comments posted on BBs, probably not that informative in of themselves.

May 21, 2006 5:17 PM in response to Andrey Tverdokhleb

I really don't get why anyone would use a laptop without the battery attached. How silly.... One of the MAJOR advantages to a notebook is the presence of a back-up power source which kicks in automatically when the A/C power goes down. I've saved myself from data loss when working on a laptop when the power went out between "saves". To recreate the approach with a desktop, you'd have to pay alot for a quality UPS.

But finally, someone (Andrew) has identified a possible scenario where this "flaw" might potentially be a problem (and the general lack of suitable power when flying is more annoying, altough I suppose you could buy two batteries, and maybe run a dedicated battery charger in flight, too).

But even there, I'm not convinced that the processor dropping speeds is a disadvantage: if you're worried about current draw on an airline power plug/adapter, maybe it's better the unit DOESN'T try to run at full full speed...

Chris

May 21, 2006 6:30 PM in response to hey underpants

I stand by my original response (second post in this thread).

From a quality assurance viewpoint, if there's a bug it is that Apple has not modified the OS to send the user a highly visible and continuous message whenever the MBP is being used without a battery:

WARNING: At any moment you may lose your data! Please insert a charged battery.

As to the current lack of power adapters for airline flights, I agree that's a problem and I hope MagSafe adapters soon become available. However, although I do make long overseas flights from time to time, I'm always stuck in steerage (tourist) seating and with no choice of carrier. So I've yet to make a flight where a power plug was available to me, anyway. I start with two charged batteries. I'm darned if I'm going to work more than 2 or 3 hours during the flight, and I've got plenty of power to listen to music and doze for several hours in additional flight time, between iTunes and my iPod. I carry a spare set or two of batteries for my noise-cancelling earphones, too. 🙂

May 21, 2006 7:25 PM in response to Feefer

Some people have their laptops plugged into battery backups so it is possible to take out the battery and not lose any data. Also for the people that leave their laptop plugged in all the time overcharging the battery CAN OCCUR despite people saying... its cannot happen on newer batteries etc. If you run it on AC all the time with the battery in the sooner your battery will die. Even when you condition it is says in the manual to just leave it charged for like 2 hours or whatever.

Leaving lithium ion batteries plugged in all the time definately kills the life of them.

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