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Fusion drive plus 5400 RPM hard drive speed

I'm contemplating buying a new iMac to replace my 2010 27 inch iMac, which was the top-of-the-line model at the time and has a 7200 RPM 1TB internal hard drive. I've found that it's no longer fast enough for me at my office where I have typically 12 to 15 apps running simultaneously (yes I use them all, all day long, about half are utilities such as HoudahSpot, Text Expander etc., the remainder include Word, Excel, Parallels, Devonthink PO, Acrobat, Mail, Safari etc.


The problem is that my existing computer is slow starting up, and often at other times - it takes several minutes to boot into 10.8.3, then another 10+ minutes to initiate about 10 apps that start up automatically.


Essentially, when any drive-intensive work is taking place, I can count on a slowdown. When Dropbox and Crashplan are both working, the computer will also slow down considerably. Dropbox and Crashplan of course both involve constant reading of the internal hard drive during their backups. Apps such as MS Word which use very old code are prone to 5 to 10 second "freezes", especially when Dropbox and Crashplan are both working. To make things worse, occasionally Carbon Copy Cloner (yes I keep three separate backups)


So I'm considering a new top of the line iMac with a Fusion Drive. I know from reading various sites that the Fusion Drive itself is very fast due to the SSD part of it. That's great.


However, here is my question for which I haven't found an answer: When disk reads and writes are going on, I believe that during the rest of the time, the OS is transferring files back and forth from the Fusion Drive to the 5400 RPM hard drive. That's what I need to know about - with multiple file backups taking place at the same time as I'm working and the Fusion Drive is busy doing file transfers, can I expect the same kinds of slowdowns?


Also, regarding startup times, can I expect a significant improvement?


Thanks for everyone's input.

intel iMac, Mac OS X (10.4.10)

Posted on Mar 19, 2013 7:09 AM

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Mar 19, 2013 11:43 AM in response to Kenneth Cohen1

I nearly lost 100% of my data about 10 years ago when a hard drive failed, so I have been paranoid about backups ever since, which is why I use Dropbox, Crashplan, Time Machine and Carbon Copy Cloner. Each performs a slightly different function. They all access the hard drive, the first three going all day long.

IMO, therein lies the problem. Eliminate the paranoia and rely on one or two. If it was me, pick one of the first three and use it. Then, maybe two or three times a day, do a CCC incremental backup. For the other slowdowns, such as boot times, having so many things resuming during startup is the basic issue. I've reduced it to three or four things and booting into ML is two or three times slower than booting into SL.


For other speed issues, see:


Mac Maintenance Quick Assist,
Mac OS X speed FAQ,
Speeding up Macs,
How to Speed up Macs,
Macintosh OS X Routine Maintenance,
Mac troubleshooting: What to do when your computer is too slow,
Essential Mac Maintenance: Get set up,
Essential Mac Maintenance: Rev up your routines,
Maintaining OS X,
Five Mac maintenance myths and
Myths of required versus not required maintenance for Mac OS X for information.

Mar 20, 2013 6:20 AM in response to dwb

Crashplan can be scheduled and maximum CPU usage can be adjusted for while you're working and while you're away, which I've done. Everything is pretty well optimized. My question seems to come down to, to what extent will the Fusion Drive add to all of the background activity that is slowing down my current system. I know it will be a lot faster but it still involves a large hard drive in addition to the 120 GB SSD.

Mar 20, 2013 6:54 AM in response to Kenneth Cohen1

I can't answer your question. Both on my new iMac and on the home brew Fusion drive that I played with after instructions appeared on the internet I've seen no evidence of slowdowns during heavy disk accesses. But I'm not making 3 backups at the same time. Your paranoia is probably part of your problem. But the reason I can't answer your question is because backing up is mostly going to involve reading the drive and comparing that to your existing backups. If your data extends beyond the SSD then obviously sometimes your backup programs will have to call data from the hard drive and there goes the advantage of the SSD. But what impact that would have overall I just can't say.


What I can tell you is this: I have two TimeMachine drives connected to my computer. When long backups occur (such as after I've applied an OS update) I sometimes get a warning that a TM backup is in progress and the computer might slow down. I get that warning but I notice no slowdown. When I got that warning with my 2007 iMac I sometimes did notice it.

Mar 20, 2013 7:16 AM in response to Kenneth Cohen1

My question seems to come down to, to what extent will the Fusion Drive add to all of the background activity that is slowing down my current system


If your asking about how the shuffling of data between SSD and HD that is done by the OS will impact your system the answer is it will be negligible. Remember the OS is doing this in the background when there are free CPU and Disk cycles available. It isn;t going to take from a user job to do this.


Now if you have the disk so bound up with all your backups that there are little free cycles for the OS to steal then that may affect the efficiency of the fusion drive but it won't add to the user load.


Having said that I doubt there is much you could do to the system short of running dd's continuously that would keep the fusion drive from doing its thing. Remember this is working at the block level. Files put on the SSD are not put there in their entirety. A file can (and most likely will) be split with parts of it on the SSD and parts on the HD. So there aren't huge data transfers going on between SSD and HD.


So I wouldn;t worry about the fusion drive adding to your already high disk load. But as everyone else here has written while backups are a good thing you can have to much of a good thing.


regards

Mar 20, 2013 9:35 AM in response to dwb

Hi, again Kenneth,

Every one here has a point about backups. You seem so obsessed with having constant backups and redundancy.

This is one reason your IMac is taking a performance hit.

No computer can run fast if it has to constantly access the computer's hard drive trying to backup data to another drive.

You're paranoid now because 10 years, ago, when you you almost lost your data,,you probably had zero backups and a poor backup plan, if any.

You do not need to backup constantly while you are working. That's why you have a save/ save as function on your Mac and OS X 10.8, I believe does automatic saves. Most companies that have an IT department or someone who is the general computer network administrator, in small companies, usually do daily backups at the end of the work day and then a complete weekly backup at the end of the work week. Either on a Fri. or over the weekend.

Without knowing what kind of work you do, why do you need to have 15/16 applications open and running constantly. You can't possibly be using every one of these applications every single day all day long.

Finding that hard to believe.

Your working habits are what is really slowing down the efficiency of yournMac.

No Mac will ever be fast enough when you have this much CPU, RAM and hard drive activity going on at once.

Multi-tasking is one thing, but you have major mega multi-tasking going on and the iMac just can't handle it all.


As far as the slow statups, OS X 10.7 and 10.8 are slower to boot up.

But your problem is you need to disable the Resume function in OS X 10.8 because, if you have a lot of applications still open at the end of your day, all of these applications are trying to reopen when you startup in the morning. That is why it is taking 10-15 minutes for your iMac just to boot up!

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