Submarining text on scrollling?

Hello,

On my shiny new MacBook, I'm noticing that when I scroll webpages, text virtually disappears until the scroll stops. It's really noticeable on Apple Discussions pages, actually.

My cinema display doesn't do it, but I haven't had a laptop since my PowerBook 160 -- which did it because of the ol' passive matrix display. Should the MacBook? Do you see the same thing?

Thanks for any advice

MacBook 1.8ghz Mac OS X (10.4.6)

Posted on May 25, 2006 4:43 PM

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May 27, 2006 5:08 PM in response to bonaldi

Hello,

On my shiny new MacBook, I'm noticing that when I
scroll webpages, text virtually disappears until the
scroll stops. It's really noticeable on Apple
Discussions pages, actually.

My cinema display doesn't do it, but I haven't had a
laptop since my PowerBook 160 -- which did it because
of the ol' passive matrix display. Should the
MacBook? Do you see the same thing?

Thanks for any advice

MacBook 1.8ghz Mac OS X
(10.4.6)


I have found that this phenomenon is much more visible when using
a mouse, because when you use the trackpad you are somewhat limited in your displacements.

More importantly, when I move, let's say, a safari window across the screen the various parts of the window have ghosts that follow them.

I have a (low quality) movie of this (taken with the iSight of my iMac 😉 )

I tested a black MacBook two days ago and it was the same

May 27, 2006 5:46 PM in response to Not a Number

I am noticing this since last night on my white 2.0 MB.

You guys forgot to mention the COLOUR IS CHANGING too.

Go to a site like Slashdot.org for example that uses lots of green.. and autoscroll down.. notice how the green changes to lime until you stop.

Sites with dark blue, shift to sky blue, red to orange, etc.

I tried dragging a window around the screen fast, and there was massive ghosting and disappearing text. It made me worried that the MB can't play videos.

I tried a test video clip, it SEEMED ok, but it wasn't an action video.

I really hope this is a driver issue. The colour changing, etc.

May 28, 2006 6:38 AM in response to Technarch

Thank you everyone for your replies -- at least it's not just me!

I've done some more research, and I think this might be a bigger problem than I thought. There's definitely something strange about the calibration on the screen -- if you use Apple's calibration assistant, the right-hand adjustment panels (in expert mode) are right off the scale!

I tried using other calibrators, but while they help the ghosting problem a little bit, they throw the colours right off. Even in default calibration the colours are wrong: the highlight bars in Gmail are bright orange instead of yellow.

I'd appreciate it if other people posted their experiences in this thread too, so we can see if it's really widespread, or if some of us just have duff screens.

(It really can't be normal. In flickr, if you shake a window about, all the grey text disappears entirely, and the flickr logo changes colour, like someone said above!)

May 28, 2006 7:23 AM in response to bonaldi

User uploaded fileApparently some MacBook owners are finding that the display does have a pink hue to them. Calibrating does help although doesn't entire get rid of the issue. While it is probably true I think that the vast majority that have this issue don't realise it because they do not have other refeence displays to compare it to.

To be honest, it's hard to guage exactly how many do have an issue or if they are reasonably isolated incidences.

The thing is, most displays are slanted towards one hue or another. It just depends on which tone it is that makes it more or less noticeable. By the way, my Dell display goes a redish pink if viewed at an angle.

May 28, 2006 9:34 AM in response to infinite vortex

While interesting to play with the calibrator, its an unrelated issue to the ghosting and the colour changing while auto-scrolling (colour ghosting).

What needs to be done is:

1) Compare Macs that are from a different batch to see if they exhibit the ghosting.. mine is 4H620 (serial # on box and in system profiler). Numbers mean 4H factory, 6 is year, 20 is weeks, so mid-May.

2) Boot into XP via boot camp and see if there is any difference. There may not be because Apple provided the driver. But maybe there is.

3) Try connecting the Mac via mini-dvi to VGA, mini-dvi to DVI (both adapters) to see what happens on an external display. I don't have either adapter unfortunately.

While my screen is white and seems 'ok' it isn't 100%.. go to the site www.utorrent.com and compare it on another computer.. on a windows machine with a CRT monitor everything is green,except for the boxes at the bottom which is mostly tannish.. on my macbook, the background is mostly tannish, and the boxes are pinkish.. so there is colour shifting occuring and changing the profile doesn't solve it.

May 30, 2006 10:53 PM in response to bonaldi

I know exactly what you mean. I saw it today on a Black MacBook. Lines about 1 pixel in width will turn invisible, thicker ones will ghost and the entire window that's being dragged around will ghost severely.

Scrolling text makes it illegible. It's far far worse than it is on my 15" TiBook and it's not seen at all on my 20" Viewsonic nor anywhere near my 30" Apple LCD which submarines ever so slightly.

I was actually a bit shocked at how badly it submarined.

I didn't notice any pink hue to the screens which was painfully obvious on the 23" (?) inch LCDs a while back. I did hear the mooing eminating from the one I played with in the store the day I noticed the submarining.

Does anyone know the redraw/response rate of the LCDs used in the MacBooks? I'm guessing it's far lower than either Apple is telling us or lower than it should be for a Laptop.

Too many to list Mac OS X (10.4.6)

May 30, 2006 11:28 PM in response to W. Raider

I had the problem of disappearing lines while scrolling the threads in this forum, but all of a sudden it is gone. Previously I had upgraded only one RAM module to 1GB (total memory 1.25GB) but yesterday I received my second 1GB module and now with a total of 2GB RAM (identical modules) the problems have disappeared altogether!

This would mean it cannot be a problem of the display refreshing! On the other hand, the vanishing lines are still noticeable when dragging a window 😟

May 31, 2006 1:31 PM in response to tomrakewell

Hi Tom,

I've got matched pairs of memory, and still have the problem. Did you change anything else? If the lines are still noticable while dragging, I think you might just have made it slightly less.

It don't think it can be anything else but the display -- especially as there are also problems with the pink tint, and external screens work fine.

Jun 1, 2006 4:27 AM in response to Not a Number

The built-in display does have a really washed out look with a real pink hue. However using bootcamp to boot windows the screen is far less washed out and less pink but still a bit pink.

I have to say that the MacBook Pro was equally horribly pink so it isn't just the MacBook. It seems that something is wrong with the colour settings on the internal screen. Fortunately I use mine with an external screen most of the time so I'm not that troubled by it but if I used the internal screen all the time I would be most disappointed with it.

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