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Skeuomorphism – I want MORE, not less!

Since first using a Mac in 1989 I have always enjoyed personalizing my Mac AND having the life-like features, classy icons and so much more that made using the Mac fun, enjoyable, aesthetic and easy-- intuitive!


So when I hear all this talk about removing the leather on Calendar and Notes, flattening the 3D icons and removing the personality of the OS - I cringe…


Don't people realize that the interface is what enables fast, easy computing? And let's face it, not many of us are doing factorial calculations or heavy statistics on our Macs, iPads, iPods, iPhones, PC's or tablets… (a bit!)-- -- rather we are primarily creating photo albums, recording our voices, sending eMails, watching the Soyuz launch, checking out "les années folles" 1920's dance this weekend, facetiming, facebooking, booking tickets for shows, banking, buying stocks, SKYPEing, timing, browsing the www, watching movies, keeping a diary, a calendar, writing visit reports… and on and on…


Isn't it fun to do this in a max-skeuomorphistic way? For me it is! (We've got all these super-fast, super-powerful computers so let's take advantage of this!)


But if some people want boring B&W flat icons (by the way, thank you TotalFinder for colored sidebars in Mountain Lion and tabbed Finder windows, too!)--- at least give us the choice. In System preferences for Mac OS X 10.9 (and maybe in iOS7 too somehow) --- let US CHOOSE if we want superskeuomorphism, or just for some apps or none whatsoever. That really should not be so difficult! Worried about Hard Drive Space--- hey, my SE has a 40 mb drive-- MEGAbit not GB and today 40 gb is so small that only iPads or iPhones have less. (iPad 3 with 64 gb and my next iPad will have the option to go to 256 gb I hope!)


I'd love to get feedback here and also to know where I might post these ideas if perhaps this section is not the best. Then again I argue: If you turn on your Mac or PC or iPad and the first thing you see makes you say "Yuck, boring, dull…" -- you are not prone to have a great computing experience! So this may just be the ideal place to post this to get some feedback to see if I'm the only one who feels this way. Sure, I'll be eMailing APPLE, too.


Wednesday 29 May 2013

MacBook Pro, OS X Mountain Lion, Also a Mac SE running 6.0.4 - not upgrading that!

Posted on May 29, 2013 1:44 AM

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Feb 16, 2015 6:39 AM in response to Lanny

The point is, I am not a teenager, and I have difficulty SEEING the lack of scrollbars, the grayness, and the lack of depth. If one were to follow HIG, everything in life has depth, that is how our eyes evolved, looking at those objects, not flatness. Apple is no longer following HIG.


I have not opened my computer yet, still in the box, but I know those icons are OK.


If Yosemite went the way of the iPad and iPhone, I guess that's the last one I will buy unless I can remedy the situation simply because I cannot see and it gives me a headache to work in the flatness.


Flat is NOT cool... the lack of scrollbars is also frustrating.


I came here because Flexmarketman posted but that apparently was deleted as well.


WHAT IS WRONG WITH APPLE that they cannot take criticism????

Feb 16, 2015 10:57 AM in response to Barney-15E

So making technology comfortable and pleasant to use makes for 'a fake scoop'? Apple USED TO take the time to make sure everything had a design and purpose. "The function and aesthetic" was a critical part of what drew generations of people of all ages to using an Apple product. The competition would mimic Apple and do such a bad job that it only highlighted Apple's expertise and attention to detail.

The 'boring backing core' of a painting is just as important as the presentation of the frame and the image itself, and takes skill and effort to balance all the elements properly, but even Apple seems to not want to put out the effort any more. It shows, when the current GUI image is meh, and we are cowed into accepting the framework around it, if only to sell us all on the "painting" without regard to anything else.

Feb 16, 2015 11:19 AM in response to MacLady

Fully agree with you MacLady


Every bit of a picture is important, from the presentation and durability of the frame to the image itself. The backing and base are rarely considered, but are just as important too. That USED to be "the Apple way", but not bothering to care in various areas makes Apple less superior and more like MS Windows each year. (remember such MS imitations like the exact log in/user account window copy Win made years ago? Blatant and defenseless but "just coincidence" was their excuse. MS isnt copying Apple much lately though)


Change for changes sake is a waste of accomplishment and Heritage.


Apple is also being more hasty and sloppy while cutting back on attention to detail and effort, it is near impossible to conclude otherwise. They have "stopped caring about the framing and mounting" some time ago; there is no striving for a functional work of art anymore.


And telling someone to just 'downgrade to the nicer looking earlier version' is pointless, given that Apple quickly deletes older versions the moment a new one comes out. They have made it hard as possible to do things that way now.


To do something great takes effort, to make it the best only takes a bit more. The latest Finder look, folders, windows, Textedit look, Notepad and all the rest, scream to me of the least amount of effort put out to come up with something NOT GREAT. A student programmer could come up with better, and put it on someone elses platform likely, not an Apple machine. The rise of the next "Steve Jobs" will not be done on an Apple.


There is no way you will convince me, Kool aid drinkers, that pearl white font on a grey white background floating in a frameless sea with zero point of reference is a tolerable computing experience. Its brutal. Same goes for borderless colourless dimensionless buttons and icons.


What a ridiculously stupid middle finger to the world of aesthetic that was well established long before machines took over lead pencil and parchment paper. They are "teaching the wrong message" to users and creators alike.

I appreciated the previous touches. Subtle appeal improves my mindset and willingness to interact, too bad there are scores of worshipers who rally against such a human approach.


Apple USED to be the superior machine experience, but they also had Steve Jobs policing the rules of typography, aesthetics, and form WITH function. In the last years of his life, this started to change.


Blatantly stupid GUI choices are making me resent Apple. Even a teenagers eyesight will not find working with nearly single-pixel-wide fonts or guides on a backlit screen pleasant, but some wiseguy behind the scenes is making every Apple-included app default to this illogical approach any way.


"Yes John-boy, the emperor really has no clothes on but dont speak out". The current GUI, end user presentation, and design choices are pointedly flawed, bounding away from 'the best' to the land of 'semi survivable'. Wish Apple would just put its clothes back on.

Feb 16, 2015 12:05 PM in response to Csound1

You are entitled to your opinion. You are also entitled to be wrong. Congratulations on both.


Someone once famously said "Any customer can have a car painted any colour that he wants, so long as it is black." I have no use for that kind of absolutism, which your values appear to originate from. I will spend my time on more relevant and interesting posts than yours from now on, thanks for the heads up.

Feb 16, 2015 12:47 PM in response to Csound1

I think I was the one who started this post - or if not I could have! In any case I think we all have written to Apple extensively requesting a choice of interfaces if they want to change the skeuomorphic one… Not really any replies… And I can understand that if they want to make the OS tight and working well, some limits do have to be in place…


That's why I use TotalFinder -- gives me color sidebars. That's why I'm still on 10.8.5 - love that yellow notes pad and Contacts… But within a few months I'll likely have to move… (Yosemite updates and iOS 8.2 are the main reason I'm waiting). And when I run Mac OS 6.0.4 on my Mac SE I realize that Yosemite is an improvement over that--- but I don't want grey and grey and more grey--- sounds and colors are fun and practical. That's why I use DragThing, too!


And these posts are good from both a technical and somewhat emotional side. Let's face it -- using a computer or other device today is not just an occasional thing - many of us live hours each day behind the screen!


So hopefully we're not starting WWIII here rather kicking around ideas and expressing opinions --- much like how we might discuss other subjective aspects of life like red wine (or Belgian Beer) or the quality of US television or whether organic gardening is better than using chemical fertilizers. Probably no definitive RIGHT or WRONG answer to any of these subjects - but can be enlightening!


Thanks very much,


Steve

Birthday tomorrow!

Feb 16, 2015 6:14 PM in response to baltwo

baltwo wrote:


What? You don't want to be modern, with it, cool, and on the leading edge? It's the same mentality or outlook that considers Jackson Pollack's drug-induced paint splatterings "art."


Wow. You obviously don't respond to Pollack, but the many, many people who genuinely do appreciate what he did don't deserve to be so snidely stigmatized. I love his work on a gut level, and it has nothing to do with pretending to like something in order to be cool and modern. You might want to reserve your contempt for something you understand a little better.

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