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Keynote files deleting after update to 10.8.4

I performed a small edit to a Keynote file today after updating to 10.8.4 last night (used the combo updater). The file crashed during a presentation and I though "no big deal, I'll just re-open it." When I went to find it, it was completely gone. Vanished.


I booted up Time Machine back at the office, restored the file, and chalked it up to some fluke. Then I edited a different Keynote file. It kept popping error messages about not being able to locate media files and I eventually closed it. Again, I went to find the orginal file to re-open and it too has dissappeared. This time, Time Machine wouldn't even let me restore it from a backup.


I ran disk utility and it found minor errors in the volume bitmap and free space remaining. So I booted to the recorvery partition and repaired successfully.


I'm up and running again, but my Keynote file is still missing. I'm afraid to open Keynote again for fear of this happening again.


Is there any known issue with 10.8.4 corrupting the file system, particulary when opening and editing Keynote files?


(15 " Retina MBP, latest model with 768 GB)

Posted on Jun 5, 2013 12:14 PM

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Jun 10, 2013 9:53 AM in response to GordonGecko9

Had another issue with Keynote this morning. Presentation hung and could not be stopped for a few minutes (ESC and arrows to advance to next slide did nothing). When it was finally released, it kept complaining about being unable to find media files.


Quitting and restarting turned out OK (and my file was not deleted as before), but this is still disconcerting and I hope it doesn't happen during a presentation.

Jun 5, 2013 12:23 PM in response to krypttic

No. I have been beta testing 10.8.4 and that was certainly not reported during the test of it.


Your comment about Time Machine not allowing you to restore it again, I find to be the most troubling. If your backup is not reliable and your disk is have problems with corruption, I would certainbly be looking into another backup solution until you find the problem with your Mac.


What is the age of the hard drive?


How much free space is on the hard drive?


Allan

Jun 5, 2013 12:33 PM in response to Allan Eckert

The backup (Time Machine Drive) is only a few months old. It is a Lacie Thunderbolt drive.


The HD on the laptop is the original 768 GB Solid State Drive (so less than a year old). Everything was working perfectly until I updated to 10.8.4.


I'm making a clone of my HD right now with Carbon Copy Cloner for added protection. I'll then go mess with some more Keynote files and see if they start deleting themselves again.

Jun 5, 2013 12:46 PM in response to krypttic

It's weird. Time Machine wouldn't restore the deleted files when I searched back in time within the folder that contained them. It's like they were never there in the first place. However, I had these files in a different folder a few months ago, and it was able to pull those up and restore them.


Maybe the directory or file system corruption caused Time Machine to not match the location of the files on the backup with their orignal location.

Jun 5, 2013 12:50 PM in response to krypttic

Great!


Please keep an eye on the system disk for any future corruption which could be a sign of impending disk failure.


Did you get the extended warranty for your Mac so that is cover for 3 years? Since it is still under a year old I think you can still purchase it. It might be something to consider.


If you have any more disk corruption, I suggest taking it in to Apple and asking them to check it out. Besides that will record these problem on your Mac with Apple in case there is a failure in the future.


Allan

Jun 5, 2013 1:21 PM in response to Allan Eckert

Here are the errors that were reported by Disk Utility:


2013-06-05 11:52:18 -0700: Checking volume bitmap.

2013-06-05 11:52:18 -0700: Volume bitmap needs minor repair for orphaned blocks

2013-06-05 11:52:18 -0700: Checking volume information.

2013-06-05 11:52:18 -0700: Invalid volume free block count

2013-06-05 11:52:18 -0700: (It should be 45013867 instead of 32213266)

Jun 5, 2013 2:08 PM in response to krypttic

I opened and edited the Keynote files again and they worked fine. However, when I went to save one of them after editing, I got the following message:


"The location of the document "Chapter 6.key" cannot be determined. You can specify where to save it." Followed by two boxes: Cancel and Save As...



I chose "Save As" and chose my desktop as the location and Keynote immediately crashed. When I reopened the document again, the changes were still there and upon further editing, SAVE is working normally.


So, I'm stumped. The good news is that the files are working (for now, at least). What concerns me is why this happened (I don't know) and will it happpen again?


The Disk Utility Errors along the way are also concerning. Last year, I had an issue with the autosave feature in MS Office (a known, serious issue). Basically, if you have Autosave turned on and are working with very large files, the autosave function will attempt to overwrite the same section of the hard drive, resulting in serious disk errors. It took down my system completely and I had to recover from a backup. After that, I now use Pages exclusively.


With Keynote (and most other Mac applications), the "Versions" feature does kind of the same thing--periodically saving changes to the document so they can be recovered later. This makes me paranoid that I may have a failed drive again in the near future.

Jun 7, 2013 10:16 PM in response to krypttic

Yes, I have seen sporatic directory corruption under 10.8.4, and every file for me has been inside my .MobileBackups directory, which is where the local Time Machine data is kept. It appears to happen after a file is deleted, then the backup goes bad. It's happened to two files since 10.8.4 came out.


I run with File Vault on a Samsung 830 512gb SSD, so who knows what voodoo I am unearthing 🙂

Jun 8, 2013 10:48 PM in response to GordonGecko9

GordonGecko9:


- First, make sure you back up all remaining Keynote presentations. Hopefully, you have a backup of the one that got deleted. I had to get a copy from another folder. Once the file was deleted, Time Machine suddenly thought it was never there in the first place too. That's right, the deleted file was also deleted from Time Machine--even months back.


- Once you have backups of your files, run Disk Utility and see if there are any errors. I had a few, so booted into the Recovery partition and repaired.


- Remove all your Keynote .plist files from the directory: /Users/your username/Library/Preferences. Your Library folder will be hidden unless you hold the OPTION key and then select the GO menu at the top. You can just move these files out of that folder and keep them elsewhere if you want them again.


- Check your console log to see if any errors were reported about the time of the crash. I had some message about Flip4Mac confilciting with another video codec, so I deleted Flip4Mac. Not sure if it mattered, but I didnt' really need it anyway.


- Since you have backups of your files now, you can start playing around with Keynote again to see if your problem is solved. Here is what I found:


> After deleting the .plist files, I sill had issues after editing presenations. The changes would take, but then when I went to save the file, I got an error message that the location couldn't be found. When I chose "Save As" isntead, Keynote crashed. However, when I rellaunced Keyonte, the file was saved in its orginal location. (Before I deleted the .plist files, the presenation was gone after Keynote crashed).


> Subsequent edits and saves worked normally on the same file. As I opened other presenations from the same folder in the finder, I got the same errors (crashing and file not saving). But then, upon relaunch everything seemed fine.


It seems that something with 10.8.4 is causing directory errors with Keynote files. When you go to save an edited presenation, it gets confused about where to put it and the file gets deleted instead.


Please keep me posted on if the above "fix" works for you and if you notice anything else.


Keynote files deleting after update to 10.8.4

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