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JPG color / contrast issues

I am exporting from a RAW file to JPG. I then decided to export to TIFF and png to see what difference there would be.

The only changes applied to the RAW were from within Aperature.


I was expecting no big difference when viewing the image at the reduced size to fit the screen but I am very suprised to see a very big difference.

RAW has no color space but Aperture is set to sRGB IEC61966 2-1


Tiff and png are about the same but the jpg looks like the contrast was changed and is much much lighter.


Most photo shops take jpg and transfering Tiff files is rather time consuming. Any ideas on what has gone wrong...what am I forgetting or missing here?

Mac Pro, Mac OS X (10.7.2), 8G memory

Posted on Jun 12, 2013 11:43 PM

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Jun 13, 2013 3:06 PM in response to JakeBlade45

I can't guess why you are seeing such a difference. Are you using a hardware-calibrated monitor? Without calibration, the color has no fixed point of reference, and discussions tend to be not worthwhile.


I can suggest never using JPG for any image file sent for printing. The JPG format was developed as a transmission format for display on Web pages, for which it works extremely well. It is not designed as a transmission format for printing -- which is why TIFF files (the format was designed for transmission of files to be printed) are much bigger and therefore take longer to transmit.

Jun 13, 2013 6:46 PM in response to Kirby Krieger

Kirby,

Thanks for the feedback.


Yes my monitor is calibrated (Spyder) and I am actually using two monitors now and the result is the same on both ...even with one not yet calibrated.


Since Tiff is the best why do most photo shops out there say they only accept JPG files.

Who do you use that accepts TiFF? I have high speed internet so I can deal with it ...just takes longer.


In the mean time still trying to figure out why the big difference when being displayed on the monitors.

Jun 13, 2013 8:03 PM in response to Frank Caggiano

Frank,

I just double checked this again to be sure.

JPEG orignal size, Include MEtadata, Image quality 12, DPI 400, Color Profile Nikon sRGB

Black point compensation checked...I tried this before un checked and no differnece.


Hmmm I see I have the color space set differently here on the export. Trying now with the Aperture color space I mentioned in the beginning. No change I still get the same ligher darks image.

Jun 13, 2013 8:16 PM in response to JakeBlade45

The color space setting for export is under presets.

Checking the TIFF format I see some differences here as well.

Quality set to 10

Color space is correct but DPI is only 72... Changing to 400 to see what happens.

I am using TIFF 16bit... Trying now with 8 bit to see.

None of the above changed my TIFF image in any noticable way. Still much better than the JPG file when viewed on the display.


Still stumped.

Jun 13, 2013 11:50 PM in response to JakeBlade45

JakeBlade45 wrote:


Frank,

I just double checked this again to be sure.

JPEG orignal size, Include MEtadata, Image quality 12, DPI 400, Color Profile Nikon sRGB

Black point compensation checked...I tried this before un checked and no differnece.

The color space is the first thing to look at. Can you take "Nikon sRGB" out of the equation? Can you use regular "sRGB" for the JPG export?

Jun 14, 2013 9:43 AM in response to Kirby Krieger

Kirby,

Yes I did that for both JPG & TIFF and the result is the same.

Being a new day and a new boot I deleted the files and tried again ....just for the heck of it. Same result.

I downloaded Lightroom to try and compare but am having a hard time getting the image to look the same as the changes I made under Aperature. Once I have it closer I will see if the same thing happens when using Light room.


A friend tried it with lightroom and could not tell the difference between the jpg and tiff on the display and that is exactly what I was expecting.

Jun 14, 2013 11:34 PM in response to JakeBlade45

The color space setting for export is under presets.

Checking the TIFF format I see some differences here as well.

Quality set to 10

Color space is correct but DPI is only 72... Changing to 400 to see what happens.

I am using TIFF 16bit... Trying now with 8 bit to see.

None of the above changed my TIFF image in any noticable way. Still much better than the JPG file when viewed on the display.

What application are you using to view and compare the exported image files?


How is the" Gamma adjust" slider set? You have not mentioned it sofar?


Have you checked, if you have multiple versions of your color profiles installed? Maybe the programs you are using to view the image files are using different versions of the same color profile:


For example, searching for AdobeRGB1998.icc results in only two installations - one is a link to the other:


  • /Library/Application Support/Adobe/Color/Profiles/Recommended/AdobeRGB1998.icc
  • /System/Library/ColorSync/Profiles/AdobeRGB1998.icc


But the image editors may have private copies of the color profiles in the application bundle, and I am not sure, which version they will use, if there are multiple versions, or if the profile used may depend on the image type, like for example for "sRGB.icc":

Hermione:~ dreschle$ locate sRGB | grep icc


  • /Applications/GraphicConverter.app/Contents/Resources/sRGB.icc
  • /Library/Printers/hp/Profiles/sRGB_A.icc
  • /System/Library/ColorSync/Profiles/sRGB Profile.icc
  • /Volumes/HermioneLion/System/Library/ColorSync/Profiles/sRGB Profile.icc
  • /usr/local/etc/ImageMagick/sRGB.icc


You could search for duplicate profiles with the Finder's "Find" ⌘F and add a search rule for the extension ".icc", search range "This Mac": Look for duplicates and compare the dates.


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Jun 15, 2013 8:28 PM in response to léonie

Leoni

Thanks so much for pointing out the Gamma setting as that was it !


I have no idea why it was set differently but it was set to 1.32 where the Tiff was set to 1

Setting both to 1 solved the problem.


I also will take another detailed look at the color profiles as you have mentioned as well to see if I should do some general cleanup .



Thanks again !!

Jun 15, 2013 10:46 PM in response to JakeBlade45

You are welcome, Jake!

Your mentioning of the "lighter darks" made me think of the Gamma adjustment.


No change I still get the same ligher darks image.


I am glad you could solve this mistery.

I also will take another detailed look at the color profiles as you have mentioned as well to see if I should do some general cleanup .

But be carfeful! Some apparent duplicates may be just links. They will be harmless, unless you are seeing versions with different dates.


Cheers

Léonie

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