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Workflow for telecine'd film, downres to edit on older computer w/FCP

Hi folks - I wonder if someone could help me figure out how I can edit telecine'd 16mm film, which scanned in HD (the file is quicktime prores, I believe), on my older pre-HD computer, for a final output on a friend's high-end HD-friendly mac later.

It seems to me that I should be able to edit on my SD system using a lower-resolution version of the footage, and then export the whole thing to the other computer, conform the edits I made using the lower res footage with the original higher res footage, and then export as a final product.

I'm pretty sure the lab used ProRes for the telecine'd film.


Here are my specs

iMac OSX 10.5.8

1.9ghz PowerPC G5

1.5 GB DDR2 SDRAM

Final Cut Pro (studio) 6.0.6

Currently my FCP is set to ProRes 422 for the last project I edited, which was SD super 8 film.


I know it would be easier to buy a new computer but I have got funds and it seems to me that it shouldn't be that hard to do using lower-res footage.

Anyway, I appreciate your help and patience!

G

Final Cut Studio '09, Mac OS X (10.5.8), 1.9ghz PowerPC G5

Posted on Jul 20, 2013 9:36 AM

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Oct 30, 2013 12:32 PM in response to Michael Grenadier

Hi guys -- well, I think this actually a non-issue and a mistake on my part -- looking at the original footage it is indeed 1920x1080 but when I made my sub-clips.... I used Half size" in the View menu in QTpro, and that made 960x540 turn up as the "current" footage size. Taking one of those subclips and just expanding it to "Full Size" View it's 1920x1080, and then going to half size again I notice there is a line noting full size is 1920 even while current size is 960... So! Disaster averted, I think.

Michael I'll try your workflow using the correct settings tonight ASAP if I get the chance between hauling my kids around and general chaos.

I appreciate your continued help and patience with this!!

regards

G

Nov 2, 2013 3:45 PM in response to Michael Grenadier

Hi Michael -- I went back in to Media Manager with my complete info and am not sure what I should be seeing in the MM window.

In the Media section, in the "Recompress media using" dropdown, I did not see a preset for my format, which is: ProRes 422 HQ 1080x1920 23.98 fps. I create a Custom setting and was able to match it in there, but then in the main Media Manager menu, it seemed to indicate that the footage would only be compressed from 7.0 to 4.2 GB. Whereas the earlier (incorrect I think) setting got the compressed footage down to 2.5 gb.

I am probably entering my data in the wrong areas, can you advise?

thanks!

G

Nov 5, 2013 6:21 AM in response to Grainy2013

wait a second. You were a little unclear (at least to me, or I lost track of the facts) as to what your original source format was. Select an original clip in FCP and hit command-9 and tell us the pixel dimensions, pixel aspect ratio and compressor (also referred to as codec). Your original post talked about editing with lower resolution files and then conforming back to the original material. If you're material is lower resolution than 1080, you should probably just work with that format.

Nov 5, 2013 6:47 PM in response to Michael Grenadier

Sorry for the confusion! -- I think we are talking about the same thing but to answer your questions:

1. I opened FCP, imported one clip, and hit command-9. The results are below. And yes I want to edit using proxy files that are lower res than the 1920x1080 originals. My computer can't play them back accurately because they are too large.

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Nov 6, 2013 8:24 AM in response to Grainy2013

so use one of the other flavors of prores, like LT or Proxy. But do a test on a single shot before doing all the files.


You might also do them as 1280x720. The only issue with using a different pixel dimension is that you may have to revisit and stills or graphic files that you've imported.


What kind of computer do you have, what kind of hard drive and how is it connected to your mac?

Nov 6, 2013 9:17 AM in response to Michael Grenadier

Hi Michael -- Ha ha, I think I got lost in the explanation but this makes sense now (I think):
So I can go ahead and enter a similar flavor of Prores proxy in the "recompress media using" area now,
THEN, on the return trip when I use Media Manager to move the footage back, in the Media section of the UI (referencing the screenshot you entered earlier), THAT is where it's crucial to enter my original footage specs (ProRes 422 HQ 1080x1920 23.98 fps, etc...)
Is that correct?

And yes, my test plan is to take two small clips, edit them together a bit, then send it back through the media manager and see the full-res results.


Here are my specs:
iMac OSX 10.5.8
1.9ghz PowerPC G5
1.5 GB DDR2 SDRAM
Final Cut Pro (studio) 6.0.6
I'm using a G-raid 1TB harddrive connected to the imac via firewire 400.

Nov 8, 2013 9:26 PM in response to Grainy2013

Update: even with the correct settings, I was going from (for example) a 7mb file to a 5mb file, didn't seem like much reduction but I did notice that the original, full-size files seem to play fine in the tiny Canvas and Viewer screens (which are prob. 1/16 original size). So, I figured I'd go ahead and use the files as-is and save the worry of reconversion later.

However -- probably a coincidence -- after spending a few hours organizing footage in FCP and syncing sound, some glitches flashed and I got a grid of vertical lines and rectangles -- the screen froze and after trying to restart a few times (unplugging the external harddrives first) the imac fan started going very very loudly and I realized that my machine may have reached the end of its life.

I kinda doubt it has anything to do with the large files -- but maybe?

Anyway, I guess it's time to take it in and see if I can salvage the old monster or if I need a new one.

G

Workflow for telecine'd film, downres to edit on older computer w/FCP

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