Midi notes hanging with Logic X

Hello Art Of Sound,

i was just wondering if the iconnectMIDI2+ lets you connect outboard MIDI gear? For example I wanna run logic as master but wanna use the I connect to send the midi on to my outboard gear in a midi daisy chain , not just to use it with other iOS devices. Is this possible ?

Rregards

Jamie

Jakob. YES

SOLUTION: ...

I bought the MOTU interface "Fastland USB" , Need to spend about $50 instead of $5. It's a great interface, no issues anymore. the cheap interfaces are not compatible with new OSx. See the great post from our friend "The Art of Sound" ...

...is that i cannot understand why some people spend between 1k and 2k on a Mac.. and then go and want to spend a paltry $30 or $40 on a midi interface and expect then to work without issue...

As I have said often before... Its kind of like buying a Ferrari for 150K and then putting $100 tires on it and expecting it to drive well... The tires will work (sort of) but you are degrading the performance of the Ferrari so much that you might as well be driving a 30K Mustang....

Rock On,

Hey Doug,

very glad that fixed it for you. There is still hope.

I'm using the Motu Midi Express 128 but haven't been able to resolve the issue.

at the moment I'm thinking of buying an iconnectivity +4 to see if that resolves the issue..

just trying to get as many viewpoints on the matter as possible so i don't end up wasting any Money on another interface..

Jakob

Hey Nigel,

cheers for your reply once again, very helpful, i will say i had the same problem on my macbook pro laptop,

but given your advice i will do a clean install on my laptop as a test and install nothing else but the iConnect & LPX.

Cheers

Jakob,

It could be something you installed on both computers that is causing the problem... hence my suggestion to start again from fresh. If nothing else it might hopefully help point in the right direction as to the real cause..

Fingers crossed my friend...

Cheers..

Nigel

Nigel,

I Agree,

it definitely could be something installed on both computers,

before i totally reinstall my laptop i am going to try installing just lpx and iconnect on a friends computer who has no audio apps etc and see what the result is there..

Fingers crossed indeed,

Jakob

I had the same problem with my external synth modules when I switched from LOGIC 9 to X. I googled for hours to no avail and tried to uninstall and reinstall MOTU drivers etc. It drove me mad. But then I read in a MOTU forum thread (which wasn't Logic- but Mavericks-related) NOT to connect your MIDI interface (mine is a MOTU micro lite) directly to the USB ports of your mac (in my case a 2012 i7 Mac Mini) but instead to connect the MIDI interface via a self powered USB hub. I tried that out with an old Belkin hub for the early Mac Minis and it magically works! Don't ask me why- I am no technician. Perhaps it works for you, too.

So, anyone figure this out yet? I know it is not my MIDI hardware (MOTU Express) as I can see Logic sending out random notes to my midi system! When I hit record, it will send out a sustain note that is not recorded, but goes the whole time I'm playing / recording midi. Also, when I first launch Logic is sends out a sustain that even a full midi reset in Logic will not stop! This happens even if I start and empty Logic project, as an audio only with no midi environment at all! None of my other midi apps have issues with my setup! THIS IS A LOGIC ISSUE, and I hope someone has figured out what the deal is! (Right now, as I type this I'm listening / watching Logic send a C0 0 to 127 loop, as if an arpeggiator was on... but I haven't setup anything and this is a new "audio" project!

My logic version is 10.1.0, on Yosemite (although it also did this in Mavericks), running the latest Motu drivers etc!

Help please!

Thanks in advance!!!

I'm fairly certain Logic has something to do with it! First off, as I stated in my post, Midi works fine with other apps, and Apple's own "Audio Midi Setup" utility works fine with my setup. For the record, I can see Logic SENDING random signals at first startup, and when I hit record (if you go to the display mode "custom" you can see all incoming and outgoing signals). When I hit record it throws out a random sustain burst that triggers all midi devices attached, also at Logic startup. This happens even if no Midi environment has been setup, so Logic is firing midi commands even with no Midi environment! I can literally see it firing the output, with no other input or routing. Also to note, after I have recorded a Midi track, Logic plays it back correctly, and the random note that was fired during the initial record event is not recorded, or played back. It's just there as an annoyance while you track, then gone.

I have not tried the Beta drivers, being as the current drivers work on everything else I don't see that being an issue. I have tried new USB hubs (all high quality), Thunderbolt USB output, main computer USB output, you name it... same issue in Logic only. Also, this problem has persisted despite Logic updates, O.S. updates, new Midi hardware etc. And the only time I have issues is when Logic is in the mix. Otherwise all Midi routing and control works flawlessly. Logic fits in this problem somehow, I'm just hoping someone with a fix can hop on here!!!

(There are plenty of reports of this issue... the fix seems to be the elusive part here!)

I'm fairly certain Logic has something to do with it!

Of course Logic has something to do with it but the issue lies in the current Motu drivers as explained by Motu..... It's not a bug in Logic.. It's likely because Logic Pro X recently dropped support for some of the older legacy SDK's which possibly the Motu drivers for the 128, relied upon in some way, hence the issue...

so Logic is firing midi commands even with no Midi environment!

Its not Logic 'firing off midi notes ...' as you described it... otherwise everyone would see this issue.. It only affects those using the Motu 128..... as I have tried to explain and is described in the link I provided...

I have not tried the Beta drivers, being as the current drivers work on everything else I don't see that being an issue.

The point of the new beta drivers from Motu is to resolve the issue with their drivers and Logic and OS X.... If you choose not to use them then you will not possibly resolve the issue you have currently.

(There are plenty of reports of this issue... the fix seems to be the elusive part here!)

Again, see the thread I linked to, in my previous post....

I do appreciate the link to the other post. I had run across it before, unfortunately it really isn't the issue I'm facing. (I'm on an older MacMini 2011, i7 with USB 2.0 ports only (not the USB 3 models which people there were commenting on). They also seem to be having a different issue of hangs during playback etc. I don't have those issues, I have a startup, and record start, issue of Logic sending "Note On" codes that were not ordered!))

Also for reference I don't have a Motu Express 128, I have the Micro Express with the added TimeCode features. I'm not sure what difference, if any, this makes but it is the latest offering from Motu and should be rock solid!!!

Okay, so I tried the Beta drivers. Same exact problem persists. When I launch, this is what "Midi Monitor" gives me:

Notice, Logic is reversing the signal order by sending the "Note Off", then sending "Note On"! Also notice the Micro Express sends no data initiating this issue. Seems like a Logic bug to me! I wonder if there is a way to scrip a second "Note Off" function to kill the problem Logic is initiating? It would be a bandaid but better than manually killing the process!

Well, that's a big difference I misunderstood....... that you have a Micro and not a 128 so...

Please do the following and lets have a look at what is going on....

Download Etrecheck from here...

http://www.etresoft.com/etrecheck

..and then launch Logic Pro and load up a project...

Now run Etrecheck and post up the full report here....

Thanks...

Nigel

Just a quick glance through as i am busy in the studio this weekend but.....

As I suspected... You probably have conflicting midi drivers installed...

You have some older Roland drivers installed.. for your Integra?

Try uninstalling them and then test....

The midiserver installed has also crashed....

Feb 6, 2015, 10:52:05 AM /Users/[redacted]/Library/Logs/DiagnosticReports/MIDIServer_2015-02-06-105205_[ redacted].crash

Again, this is symptomatic of an issue with a Midi driver installed... and could easily explain the particular issue you are having.....

You are also having some hardware related crashes too....

Feb 1, 2015, 10:28:06 AM /Library/Logs/DiagnosticReports/Kernel_2015-02-01-102806_[redacted].panic [Click for details]

Also the Prodataum drivers/software are causing crashes too... (Some stuff for Proteus or Ensoniq gear?)

Feb 6, 2015, 11:10:04 AM /Users/[redacted]/Library/Logs/DiagnosticReports/prodatum_2015-02-06-111004_[re dacted].crash

Again this is going to be another midi related issue and again, could easily be the cause of your problems....

Cleaning up all this.... should get you on the right path at least..

Finally, it wouldn't do any harm to clean out all the extra old drivers for Wireless gear you have installed.... if you are no longer using them... Novatel, Sierra, SmithMicro VW, LGE and so on... plus the Pantech stuff too...

Thanks for looking it over... I wish the problem were just a driver issue... if only. I say this because I just purchased the Integra-7, and the drivers you see are the latest Yosemite 10.10.x drivers from Roland. (There are only three Midi Drivers on my system, that I can see. The two Roland drivers, and the Motu driver. The Logic X note hang issues has been a problem ever since I started trying to use Logic X with Midi over a year ago... long before the Roland drivers were installed.) Up unit the Integra-7, several weeks ago, only the Motu driver was on my system!

Apple's Midi server has occasionally crashed, during my initially Midi setup (it seemed the "adding devices" function would accasionally fight with Motu "Clockworks" if they were both open at the same time during configuration. It maybe crashed on me twice?). After I set everything up, it hasn't crashed since... to my knowledge. (Unless Logic X crashes it and restarts it on initial Logic X launch? I haven't seen any system notifications of this though.)

The Prodataum software is a midi program controller for my E-MU gear. It crashed once, on initial setup (also while Logic X was running in the background) but hasn't crashed since and is working great currently. I'm guessing Etrecheck is pulling crash logs, which you would want to check, but both the crash logs you're seeing were one off, not really a common occurrence. By the way, Prodataum is also a very recent install, I just started setting it up yesterday, and all the Logic X sustain note, over midi, have been present even back when I had a very simple midi setup (two keyboards and the Motu Micro Express)!

One other thing..

In Logic's preferences > Midi > Reset Messages tab... Do you have any of these checked? if so, please uncheck all of them, restart Logic Pro and test again.... with the Midi Montior

Also, turn off (not put to sleep) any iOS devices you have... and test again with the Midi Monitor...