Drum Designer out of sync in low latency mode? Help please.

Everything else in Logic X working fine but I have one problem driving me crazy - I wonder if anyone else is having this problem? When in low latency mode the Drum Designer shifts forward in time and plays out of sync. I can play it in time live via midi but as soon as it plays back it lurches out of sync.It sits right when I come out of low latency mode. I've also noticed that if I switch delay compensation to off it plays in sync in low latency mode but triggers late when not. I haven't seen anyone else online mention this problem but I'd be deeply grateful if someone could shed any light for me.

Thanks.

Logic Pro X

Posted on Aug 30, 2013 5:48 PM

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Aug 30, 2013 7:05 PM in response to Tony White

Tony,


What is your normal setting for Plugin Delay Compensation? It should never be set to All until you're done with recording and into the mixing stage. It should be set to "Audio and Software Instrument Tracks"


Also, do you understand what Low Latency mode does? You are only going to use it for recording, it should not be enabled on playback. In fact, are you sure you need Low Latency mode, it's normally not used unless you're running latency inducing plugins (plugins that use look-ahead technology) like Pitch correction or the multipressor.

Aug 30, 2013 7:27 PM in response to Pancenter

Hi and thanks for your reply. I do understand about latency and the problem is the same with the delay compensation set to "Audio and Software Instrument Tracks". The problem I'm having wouldn't matter when mixing but if I create a drum track with Drum Designer at the beginning of a project I can't use it in low latency mode when recording anything else. I usually use Superior Drummer and have no problems with that, or indeed with any of the other logic instruments. Drum Designer is simply unusable at the moment apart from in a mixing situation. I assume it shouldn't be like that but I seem to be the only one having this problem - it seems like a bug that needs fixing. It's really confusing as everything else is working fine.

Aug 30, 2013 7:38 PM in response to Tony White

Interesting, I can't really address the situation as I'm still on L9, (can't experiment withLx until it's a bit more developed).


Do you have any latency inducing plugins on the master bus or the Drum Designer track? If so, try turning them off for the time being and see if it makes a difference. I understand in LX you can actually shut them off rather than disable. Does sound like a bug though...

Aug 30, 2013 8:46 PM in response to Pancenter

Not immediately no but it doesn't take long for enough latency to build up to make recording problematic. Once a few instruments have been used - especially things like the Spectrasonics stuff - there's a noticable delay on midi and audio recordings without using the low latency mode. I always have low latency mode on when I'm recording and switch it off when playing back. If the main drum instrument isn't in sync the recording is impossible.

Aug 30, 2013 9:18 PM in response to Tony White

Tony White wrote:


Not immediately no but it doesn't take long for enough latency to build up to make recording problematic. Once a few instruments have been used - especially things like the Spectrasonics stuff - there's a noticable delay on midi and audio recordings without using the low latency mode


?? Instruments on their own should not cause a "build up" of latency, what audio interface are you using?


"Low Latency Mode checkbox and Limit slider: You need to select the Low Latency Mode checkbox in order to turn on Low Latency mode and use the Limit slider. The Limit slider lets you determine a maximum amount of allowable delay that can be caused by plug-ins when Low Latency mode is turned on (by clicking the Low Latency Mode button in the control bar). In Low Latency mode, plug-ins are bypassed to ensure that all delays (across the entire signal flow of the current track) remain under the Limit slider value. This is useful when you want to play a software instrument with several latency-inducing plug-ins inserted in the channel."

Aug 30, 2013 10:47 PM in response to Pancenter

It's not the Drummer but the Drum Designer with programmed midi part that is the problem but otherwise your description is exactly right Art Of Sound. The weird thing is that it seems to be pulling the drum part ahead of the metronome (I think). I open a new project, create software instrument and load up Drum Designer. Play midi drum part in a loop of a couple of bars to the metronome. When the loop comes back to the beginning the first beat hits in time and then it lurches out and stays that way. I quantise just in case my playing was really that bad.

Aug 30, 2013 10:55 PM in response to Tony White

''?? Instruments on their own should not cause a "build up" of latency''


I think they do but in any case I usually use a lot of all kinds of plug-ins which certainly do. Without low latency mode a singer, for example, would be hearing a distinc delay to their voice in the headphones.

The point is the Drum Designer should be playing in sync regardless of whther the low latency mode is on or off.

Aug 30, 2013 11:49 PM in response to Pancenter

Tony,


It's not the Drummer but the Drum Designer with programmed midi part that is the problem



Ah.. in that case... this is even more clear cut because I have been using DD and midi regions all day without an issue..


So, using my earlier method.. but instead using just Drum Designer and some midi regions then no issues at all here when LLM is On of Off. Everything stays nice and tight, timing wise.. against both the metronome and a separate EXS24 based click track. even after 15+ minutes of playback...


So, Im thinking this is not a general LPX bug as such (because its not easily reproduced) but somehow you have something screwed up settings wise or your Audio Interface drivers are having an issue though admittedly, I'm not sure why it would only be affecting the DD plugin for you and not anything else..

Aug 31, 2013 3:15 AM in response to The Art Of Sound

AOS - thanks for confirming what I suspected - if this was a general bug everyone would be shouting about it Seems like it's just me. As you say it's strange that only this one instrument is behaving like this. Maybe the SD designers have sabotaged me so I won't abandon their product.

And thanks for trying to help Pancenter - apologies for the delayed response but I'm in England whicg means it was 6am when I last posted - at least I've had a bit of sleep now.

Thanks guys.

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