Moving notes by ticks in piano roll not working in Logic X - is just me?

Ok, understood, like I said I want to check this out, it would be such a major flaw that it boggles the mind Logic's engineers would have missed something like that.

You wrote-

"Whatever plug-ins necessary are bypassed. It's academic anyway as I've never got that far using Drum Designer because it won't play in sync making recording impossible."

I guess my question was... the above statement makes it sound like you are using LLM when there's no plugins to compensate for, I wondered why you were doing that as LLM mode is to reduce Latency caused by delay inducing plugins on the specific software instrument track you're recording on?

Apologies to the original poster for helping to hijack this thread...

Tony White wrote:

. It doesn't usually take that long for me when working on a track to include enough latency inducing plug-ins to make recording audio or midi problematic without the use of low latency mode.

The only thing I can think of is DD must be treated as a Live Instrument input.

LL Mode only effects plugins on the selected, record enabled track and there are only a handfull of plugins that cause input latency, they turn orange when bypassed, at least they do in Logic-9.

If DD is treated as a live input instrument, similar to having another player recording at the same time the only way to avoid DD going out of sync to to not use (or turn off) lantency inducing plugins on the the selected, record enabled track.

Now that the methodology is clear to me I wonder if AOL or any other Logic X users would mind testing this.

Tony White wrote:

I don't think you've understood the problem. Drum designer plays back out of sync when it's the only instrument in an entire project and with no plug-ins involved. In other words if I open a new project, load Drum Designer and play a pattern to the metronome (there's no latency problem while playing) it plays back out of sync if the low latency mode is switched on. I know I don't HAVE to have low latency mode on at that stage but it should play in sync regardless of whether low latency mode is on or off.

Thanks! You're right. I didn't understand diddly!

However.. it's not the only instrument in an empty project, the metronome (Klopfgeist) is actually a software instrument.

But why would Low Latency mode affect a project with no plugins?

It also shouldn't have an effect unless a track is in record mode, it's should auto-switch to being off on playback after recording. Does sync change if you select an empty external MIDI track or any non-live input track.

Thanks for clarifying.

FWIW... I have been trying to recreate this issue.. based on what i think you are explaining.. on one of my testbeds and cannot. (Which is odd as one of my clients msged me tonight stating much the same things as the OP says, is happening)

I loaded up DD, create a quick track and played back without LLM and no issue..

Turned on LLM (and did nothing else..) Pressed playback and again, no issue.

Timing was rock solid and in sync with Metronome both ways...

Am I missing anything?

OS X 10.8.5 and LPX 10.0.3

Going to test this on my main Mac... Will report back shortly...

Problem confirmed on my main Mac.

Same method as above and i could clearly hear a slight delay to the downbeat compared to the metronome.

Now I have to work out why it didn't affect my testbed Mac......

**Update**

I have just realized I am running Mavericks DR7 on that testbed Mac Mini (Mistake caused by my running of 3 different MMS's on one monitor!) along with an updated Motu beta driver and not 10.8.5 as i originally stated... so maybe that has something to do with it... but on my main Mac running 10.8.5 and 10.0.3 the problem is apparent for sure.

My apologies for the original misinformation on my testbed specs...

Update note: Updated with correction of Mac Mini Specs

Yes, Tony, I have confirmed this issue... and recreated it now on three different LPX + ML rigs...

I have reported this bug via the feedback form.. If you could do the same please... (The more the merrier!)

Thanks AOL for running the test.

Hope you get it sorted Tony.

Tony, can you post a link to where in the LPX User Guide it states you can use cntrl + shift to over ride the snap setting please?

Here' s what it looks like in the Logic 9 manual.

You can temporarily override the snap grid, allowing finer edits and adjustments.

To override the snap grid

Do one of the following:

Hold Control while performing the editing operation.

The division value chosen in the Transport bar (1/16, for example) determines the editing grid scale.

Hold Control-Shift while performing the editing operation.

The editing grid switches to ticks.