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  • meganuts Level 1 Level 1

    Meg's right about the tasteless last paragraph.


    In an attempt to satisfy the never-ending academic side of me, I am providing a link to the actual text from Mr. Cook below.



    A careful reader will note that Meganuts added the last line for editorial effect. Meg is right. Upon re-reading, I agree that the final addition lacks decorum. I have tried to edit the post, but have discovered that editing is unavailable. My apologies.


    My disappointment with the new iOS has obviously gotten the better of me.

  • Proteous714 Level 1 Level 1

    meganuts wrote:


    "Today marks the second anniversary of the death of Steve Jobs. Yesterday, Tim Cook offered the following thoughts.


    "Steve was an amazing human being and left the world a better place. I think of him often and find enormous strength in memories of his friendship, vision and leadership," Cook wrote.


    "He left behind a company that only he could have built and his spirit will forever be the foundation of Apple. We will continue to honor his memory by dedicating ourselves to the work he loved so much. There is no higher tribute to his memory. I know that he would be proud of all of you."


    "Except those of you who ignorantly ruined a perfectly legible operating system."



    I think the last line reflects the feelings of a good percentage of Apple's user base at the moment. Tim Cook honors Steve Jobs with words, but in practice is allowing Apple to divert from and pretty much totally abandon many of the primary design principles Job's pioneered and stood for throughout Apples many software iterations. Honoring somone by what you do is much more valuable than simply by what you say.

  • modular747 Level 6 Level 6

    If only you had the remotest clue what Job's "primary design principles" are. You're really slinging it, but this is the Golden Age of BS.

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  • TomWhiteJnr Level 1 Level 1

    I assume that the BUS in your nom-de-plume bears no relationship to a Harvard degree, if it does you must have missed most of the lectures.

    TJBUSMC1973 wrote:


    No, this particular policy will be dictated by the needs of the majority of the device users, as well as the shareholders.


    Want to get Apple to change their policies?  Become a shareholder.


    Members (shareholders) can attend the Annual General Meeting and vote on matters such as the appointment of directors. They can submit proposals, in advance of the AGM, to the secretary of the board (Done that job) who can, at his discretion, include their submissions in the Agenda for the AGM. I can just imagine an AGM where the next item on the Agenda is "What background colour should we have for IOS 7". With laughable business knowledge like yours, you're entitled to opinions but you don't express opinions, you make assertions.


    Directors attend board meetings, this is where policy is decided (Been to lots of them too), and sorry but shareholders don't get to attend these meetings. Your advice is flawed and contrary to what you state elsewhere, Apple will be extremely concerned about losing a large number of customers, only a moron would think otherwise. You also say that the customer is not always right; you may be correct but Nokia used to be the leading mobile phone company and Blackberry, pioneers of the smart phone, are now in serious financial difficulties: companies ignore the customer at their peril. Apple’s directors, with the business acumen than you obviously lack, are well aware of this fact so will hopefully react to the furore following the release of IO7.


    TJBUSMC1973 wrote:

    Apple has NEVER allowed downgrading of an iOS, mainly because it can cause far too many technical issues with user apps.


    The potential problems involved with iOS downgrades and App software conflicts FAR OUTWEIGH the minor benefits of downgrading.  Still want to downgrade?  There's no Apple supported method, but Google is a useful tool.  Feel free to see all the problems that unauthorized modifications can and will cause your iOS device.


    There's a reason Apple won't ever allow downgrading.  Just because you don't understand that reason doesn't mean it isn't valid, and necessary.


    You also seem to think I’m ignorant on the subject of operating systems, on the contrary I was systems accountant for a Plc and even have experience pre dating George III (that’s an operating system, not our English king who got you Americans so riled). I probably know a lot more about operating systems than you do. As you say, I’m sure Apple do have their reasons for not allowing users to downgrade but I’m absolutely certain, given your lack of communicational skills, that they’d ever take you into their confidence. I’ll wait and see what changes ensue regarding improvements for visually impaired users (I can’t believe how rude you were to the poster with medical problems: -

    TJBUSMC1973 wrote:


    And it's not Apple's fault that you have paroxysmal positional vertigop>


    Go see a doctor.

    I think it’s you who needs psychiatric help, you’ve serious anger management issues.

    If no improvement are forthcoming relating to IOS7 legibility, I’ll jailbreak my iPad and revert to IOS 6 and no, I don’t need any help or a lecture on the dangers involved.



    I don’t find your rude aggressive diatribes in response to many other posts in the least bit witty or amusing as you and your sad, sycophantic toadies obviously do. You say it’s humour, I say it’s pathetic.

  • meganuts Level 1 Level 1

    Actually, modular747 has introduced an interesting concept regarding clearly defining and understanding what Steve Job's primary design principles were comprised of.


    Can anyone direct interested readers towards a competent source of information regarding Steve Job's design philosophies? Did Jobs write about his design ideas or discuss them in interviews?

  • yofromto Level 1 Level 1

    TomWhiteJnr... you're my new hero.

  • yofromto Level 1 Level 1

    Mega nuts... there is a great documentary on Steve.   Steve Jobs: One more thing.  Available on Netflix .  It shows how much he cared for and studied design, flow, and even calligraphy calling attention to the fact that design and legibility must go hand in hand.  I recommend viewing it. 

  • shychameleon Level 1 Level 1

    Take a look at this thread: it's on the same topic.

  • gagc1 Level 1 Level 1

    Could not agree more!

  • Mark D Larsen Level 1 Level 1

    I will be speaking to Apple Support in a few hours to discuss my situation, but I'll describe it here for whatever it's worth to other customers.


    For the last few days I have seen a red (1) on the corner of the settings icon on my iPhone 4. When I opened the settings, I saw that Apple was telling me that there was a system upgrade. The red (1) stayed there on the screen and there was no way to remove it --unlike with message alerts which disappear, once you read them.


    Yesterday I connected my iPhone to iTunes to synch some photos and music, and saw that its "Summary" tab was also alerting me that there was an upgrade (7.0.2). Okay. So... I figured I should adhere to Apple's prompting and install it. I clicked the button, the file downloaded, installed, and my iPhone 4 was now running on iOS7.


    BUT... and here's the real kicker... a few minutes later I reconnected it to iTunes to synch some more items, and what to my wondering eyes should appear...? An alert telling me that my iPhone was now incompatible with iTunes (10.6.3), and that I needed to upgrade the latter to v.11.1.


    Uh... but I CANNOT upgrade iTunes. To install 11.1, I would need to upgrade the entire OS X (10.5.8). And I CANNOT upgrade OS X. To install higher versions, I would need to... buy a new laptop!!! I have a PowerBook G4 (Power PC!).


    My iPhone's iOS6 worked perfectly fine with my old hardware and software. Yet now it is completely incompatible? I am stuck with what's currently on it? I can no longer synch other music, contacts, photos, calendars, audiobooks, movies? NOTHING?


    What I cannot understand, and have to condemn, is that Apple gave NO warning about that hardware incompatibility. Indeed, why would Apple even apprise me of the upgrade via my older version of iTunes, and allow me to USE that version to install the upgrade, when the upgrade itself will NOT work with that version??? They allow iTunes 10.6.3 to INSTALL the upgrade, but not SYNCH with it? Inconceivable! Unconcionable!


    Apple certainly doesn't do that with iTunes itself. When I "check for upgrades," the response is that I am running the most currently version (for MY hardware, of course). Nor does Apple do that with OS X. When I "check for upgrades" there, again the response is that there are no software upgrades (for MY hardware, of course). Yet Apple's upgrade alert for iOS7 flatly ignores the hardware incompatibility until AFTER it is installed? And then Apple refuses to restore the compatible version??????


    I'm sorry, but I am not about to go out and buy an entire new Mac, simply to use this phone. Especially when the original system on it worked perfectly fine before Apple alerted me to upgrade. I'll see what Apple responds later today, but I can tell you this: if they will not provide a solution to restore iOS6, it's goodbye iPhone --and goodbye Apple.

  • propflux01 Level 1 Level 1

    I've lost 2(!) Iphone 4S's to this new upgrade to IOS7. now niether mine nor the Wife's 4S will charge or synce, just the same as many others I've read about.


    Apple told me to update it, Apple needs to get thier XXXX together on this and either allow me to revert to IOS6 or find a fix to all these bugs, or very much like Mr Larson in the post above me, I will be done with Apple.


    Droid, Anyone?

  • gifts4me Level 1 Level 1

    You have written one of the best posts in this whole thread.  This is what happened to me as well, almost word for word...

    I completely agree with you.  What would it cost Apple to let customers choose which OS to use ?  Not very much. I am with you and Propflux01.  Sadly may be time to leave Apple.


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  • woodmeister50 Level 5 Level 5
    Servers Enterprise

    propflux01 wrote:



    Droid, Anyone?

    And with its whole host of problems and issues,

    not to mention a nearly total lack of security and

    Big Brother Google watching every move you make

    so that he can cram all manner of unwanted advertizing

    down your throat and pass it on to others to be able

    to do the same.

  • Mark D Larsen Level 1 Level 1

    Okay. Spoke to Apple Support.


    Response? Uh... Apple does not allow downgrades: you'll have to upgrade your computer (buy a new one, since it's a Power PC)! Unacceptable. So the supervisor gets on the line.


    Response? Sorry. Can't help. That's Apple's policy on downgrades. ( = "We sure fooled you there with our iOS upgrade alert, didn't we? You took the bait, and now we've got you hooked into the only solution to use your phone again: spend thousands of dollars to buy one of our newer computers. Thanks, sucker!") Oh... but they'll "pass along" my "concern" to their "feedback" people.


    What d'ya think? Will "feedback" want to please this customer, apologize for the incompatible alert, download, and installation, and now allow me to downgrade to the iOS version that IS compatible with my computer and system? Shall I hold my breath?


    Or shall I go to Verizon, tell 'em to euthanize this now orphan iPhone, and just reactivate my old LG UNsmart --but usable-- phone?


    I am so appalled with Apple that words fail me.

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