Touch ID without a passcode?

There we are all thinking that your fingerprint unlocks your phone and without your one of a kind print of that finger or fingers you have set up, it is impossible to unlock it. Bollocks, there is still the option to put in the four digit code instead. Why didn't Apple give you the choice to turn off pass code and solely use fingerprint reader? Apple explain yourself please as yes it may be quicker to unlock phone or purchase items in app store with touch ID,but It's definitely a huge let down on phone locking security as I no longer need to cut off my friends finger to get into his phone, but with time (up to 10,000 combinations) and effort, I can find out his 4 digit code then I'm in.

Industrial accident, both hands sawed off.

suffer burns, cuts to fingers.

Drop phone off for service tech needs access or forgot phone and you need someone to give you a number.

FIngerprint sensor breaks.

A Few scenarios where having both makes sense.

I don't think Apple will explain themselves just because you demand it on a user to user forum that they do not answer on.

I also don't think you totally understand what the concept is and you are limited to how many times you can try the pass-code combinations.

found this:

How Apple's Lockout System Works in iOS 7

Six failed attempts gets you a 1 minute lockout. Seven gives you 5 minutes, eight gives 15, and nine 8 hour. After ten failed attempts, the system will either lock you out completely or erase your data, depending on your settings. Once locked out, you will need to sync with iTunes to restore, so make sure you have current backups, or are backing up to iCloud.

So no 10,000 attempts i guess 🙂

The phone will permanently lock after a number of failed attempts at entering the passcode. Your "solution" is both foolish and insecure. Apple is not here and they do not monitor this forum. If you really want to make a "suggestion" to Apple you can do it here:

www.apple.com/feedback

And good luck with that.

for the iphone 6 plus is there a way to bypass the fingerprint id?

This is exactly how I feel! And now stupid apps that use finger print reader follow suit, like the 1password app. I forgot my password, but I did not forget my finger print, yet I am not allowed to undeniably prove it is me trying to open the app because I restarted my phone, so now I must enter the password. Since I forgot it I must delete the entire app and start from scratch! The fingerprint is convenient, but also very inconvenient because while you are using your finger all the time you forget your actual passwords (lack of use) and then bam! they go an try to make you use the password. I wanted it to be like James Bond or Mission Impossible where they have to cut off your fingers or skin to get into your phone, not just regular ole hacking. Sure they increased the pin from 4 to 6 numbers, but c'mon ! For the average user our pins and passcodes are fairly simple and nonsecure, I don't have the memory of an elephant so my pin is easy to guess, but if I make it too hard I'll get locked out of my phone! You know what most phone thiefs don't have though? My thumb! So c'mon apple make me Bond!

So tell Apple. I'm sure they will make your James Bond dream come true...not.

www.apple.com/feedback

cypoole wrote:

This is exactly how I feel! And now stupid apps that use finger print reader follow suit, like the 1password app. I forgot my password, but I did not forget my finger print, yet I am not allowed to undeniably prove it is me trying to open the app because I restarted my phone, so now I must enter the password. Since I forgot it I must delete the entire app and start from scratch! The fingerprint is convenient, but also very inconvenient because while you are using your finger all the time you forget your actual passwords (lack of use) and then bam! they go an try to make you use the password. I wanted it to be like James Bond or Mission Impossible where they have to cut off your fingers or skin to get into your phone, not just regular ole hacking. Sure they increased the pin from 4 to 6 numbers, but c'mon ! For the average user our pins and passcodes are fairly simple and nonsecure, I don't have the memory of an elephant so my pin is easy to guess, but if I make it too hard I'll get locked out of my phone! You know what most phone thiefs don't have though? My thumb! So c'mon apple make me Bond!

Your strawman has no substance.

The phone is secure, even with a 4 digit passcode, unless you are REALLY stupid and use "0000" or "1234". The reason it is secure is you only get 10 guesses. So the probability of guessing the right code is 10 out of 10,000, or 0.1% SURELY you can think of a 4 digit code that you won't forget and that no one else can guess? Your address 20 years ago? Your military ID (which you are required to memorize)? A former employer's employee number? Your anniversary (backwards, perhaps?). A sibling's birthday? Remember, only 10 tries.

The reasons you need to remember the code include an injury that puts your finger in a bandage or cast, simply a wet or dirty finger, even a cut that is not bandaged, a broken touch ID sensor...

And the reason you need to enter a passcode after restarting or restoring is your fingerprint is stored encrypted on the phone, and, until the phone boots up, is inaccessible. This is a security feature. So the phone has nothing to match your fingerprint against until the phone has been unlocked once.