clipping sound on new iMac when Logix X is running

I just got the new iMac that was released two weeks ago yesterday. All I did was set it up with Logic X, Main Stage, and Aperture all from the app store. nothing else was put on it. I opened up logic just to check it out and see how much faster the performance would be. I just wanted to give it a quick test and played some apple loops I immideatly noticed it was making a clipping sound randomly. The meters were not peaking everything was in the green and if you turned down the gain the clipping just got quiteter. I called apple support thinking it was a hardware issue. They had me do some trouble shooting like playing the same loops through quicktime and the clipping persisted. they also had me play a youtube video to see if I could hear the clipping. It wasn't as noticible but it was there. Apple decided that it would be a good idea to reformat the computer tomorrow and start over. Sounded fine to me seeing how I didn't have much installed yet. I did a little more trouble shooting on my own after I got off the phone with apple. First I made a copy of three apple loops and put them on my desktop then restarted the computer. Then after a fresh restart and nothing running I opened one of the apple loops off the desktop with quicktime player and it sounded great no clipping. Same with You Tube. I then opened Logic Pro X. Did nothing with it but minimize it. I then went back to quick time player and tried to play the loop again. This time the clipping was back. Same with You Tube.

My conclusion for some reason when logic is running the audio makes a random clipping sound no matter what audio program you play the audio through. (Clipping sound comes out of the internal speakers as well as headphones)

All of my software is up to date.


I am running:


27" iMac

3.5GHz Intel Core i7

16 GB 1600 MHz DDR3


If anybody has experienced this same problem or has any recomendations they would be greatly appreciated.

I am going to reformat in the morning and try and start again.

I will post my results


Thank you,


Aaron

iMac (27-inch, Late 2013), OS X Mountain Lion (10.8.5)

Posted on Oct 8, 2013 11:22 PM

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Nov 5, 2013 10:44 AM in response to Inkaroads

Hi Inkaroads, I feel your pain, I am in the same situation as you and very anoid that I can't work with this lovely new computer. I was using a Personus AudioBox 22vsl and hoped that it was the prblem so yesterdat I bought a Focusrite Scarlet 2i4. Exactly the same problem except that it took a little longer to develope. Same noises then stuttering and finally cut off.


I am contacting the support pro handling my ticket today and arranging to send this 27" i7 1TB FD back and getting one without the FD since people without fusion drives are issue free.

Nov 5, 2013 1:36 PM in response to Inkaroads

Here is an update after talking to Apple LocicPro support for 2 hours. They admit that it is the fusion drive causing the hickups. There is no fix at the moment but gave me two options. I can return my Mac and reorder one without the fusion drive, either straight ADA or SSD (flash) or take it back to the authorised Apple store that I bought it through and have them erase the fusion software and reformat the small SSD (124gz) and the 1TB ADA. Ersasing the FD software seems to be the fastest solution. The only wrinkle is that I will be left with two internal drives, the small SSD and the larger ADA. That means I have to be careful not to let the little SSD get full up, basicaly treating the 1TB ADA as a scratch drive and only putting the OS and Aplications on the SSD.


I don't know if this will help any of you but I'm going to do the drive reformatting tomorrow and will report on how it goes. Wish me luck.

Nov 6, 2013 2:20 AM in response to Clambake

Thx for the report Clambake.


Just for the heck I booted my imac through an external hd and I'm letting it run itunes, just to see if the audio problems persist. I already did this on the first Imac I received and the audio problems were gone.


I have a little more than a week to decide if I will get a refund from Apple. I'll probably do that and order a standard hd configuration, unless some news come out.


Best.

Nov 6, 2013 8:05 AM in response to Inkaroads

Hi All,


Just spoke to Focusrite UK tech dept, the 1st question they asked about my new iMac "was it a fusion drive" running Mavericks which it is, he then went onto confirm that there are known issue with USB / Firewire audio interfaces (not just Focusrite) and 95% sure it is an Apple software issue, hopefully there will be a fix for this soon, I found going back to using my iMac headphone out has no issues, but obviously cannot record audio through a mic. I also have an IK iRig Pro and have had the same audio recording issues.

Nov 6, 2013 8:17 AM in response to Deadphish42

Hmm..., I've have just spoken to AppleCare (in Denmark), and they had never heard about this problem before?! They kept saying it was a problem with the thirdparty programs and devices (RME, AVID, Steinberg, Native Instruments, Adobe...) and that it had nothing to do with the new iMac or the fusion drive...


I really hope that Apple recognize this issue, and fix it soon!!


Nov 6, 2013 9:31 AM in response to calle100

Calle,


It may just be your local Applecare rep hadn't heard of this issue but Apple is aware of it and are working on a fix.



As an aside, just to clear up any possible confusion...


Certain Audio Interfaces also have a similar sounding issue... (Its not the same as the 2013 iMac/FD issue but can produce similar sounding issues) and there is work to be done on their drivers/firmware too.. but the FD and iMac 2013 issue is one that can easily be identified simply by running iTunes using the built in Audio... and without any external hardware connected at all.


I can also confirm that a Mac Mini with a FD drive does not have this issue.... nor a 2013 iMac with a standard HD or a SSD... so it seems it is a specific issue relating to a certain combination of hardware.. i.e. a 2013 iMac and a Fusion Drive... and the software/controller used by that specific hardware combination.


Any other issues with other combinations of hardware, is likely being caused by Audio Interface driver/firmware issues....and those are issues that the AI Devs will need to address and fix.

Nov 6, 2013 10:12 AM in response to Deadphish42

Well.. Tomorrow is day 14 and still no fix?!


This is getting worrying now. I have logged my issue and Apple have called me back with things to try (unsuccessfully). I am now wondering what to do. Do I return it tomorrow and ask for an SSD only or do I return it and wait for the MacPro? Or do I just wait for the fix?

This is now affecting my projects and has completely hindered the purchase. :-(


It's an amazing machine but if it doesn't do the one job I got it for, what am I meant to do?!


What would you do? Thoughts?

Nov 6, 2013 10:26 AM in response to Johnpaulmusic

I decided to get the iMac back in the box and return it to Apple. After I get my refund I'll place a new order for an identical machine with a standard hd. I think getting a fusion drive was a mistake from the beginning.

All this after booting the mac from an external drive and having absolutely no issues for hours.

Not a scientific test, I know, but that's what I did.


Ciao!

Nov 6, 2013 10:33 AM in response to Johnpaulmusic

JohnPaul,


In fairness it hasn't been 14 days...


Its been about a week since Apple idetified the issue and started work on a possible fix and such things do and can take time to fully understand.. No point in rushing out a fix that then messes up something else...


My advice is to be patient if you can.. or return your iMac and obtain a different model without FD.. if thats an option still.. or boot up from an external drive... as doing so, seems to fix the issue for many people.. (even if that is only a temporary workaround until Apple releases a real fix)

Nov 6, 2013 10:40 AM in response to The Art Of Sound

Hi


Is it time limited to ask for a return? I am in uk and on there phone line they state that we have of warranty ??


Spoke with apple two days ago pro apps and they are in the process of gathering as much eveidence and from as many users of the fd 2013 imac problem. It all sounds as if it's going in the right direction.


Not sure if I want to return my imac but don't want to miss the boat either


Thanks

Nov 6, 2013 2:46 PM in response to Clandestyne

Hello Everyone,


I just got a email from my Apple rep and she had just checked with the engineers and they are still collecting machines that the problem has been identified on right now. No word on a fix at this time. She's been pretty good about keeping me posted. She doesn't always have alot of information but at least I know I'm not forgotton.


That's all I have. Just thought I would share what I was hearing from Apple.


DeadPhish

Nov 6, 2013 8:30 PM in response to Deadphish42

I just like to say thanks to everyone who posted on this thread. I ended up playing it safe and getting my iMac with a regular 3TB non-fusion drive. I'll report back with any issues. I'm really not looking forward to update ****, reinstalling all programs, serial numbers and revalidating all my plugins, but hopefully this new computer will last me a good 3-4 years. Wish me luck.


If anyone has advice on migrating one iMac to the other, please let me know. I bought a migration program with a USB to USB cable and figured I would just copy the whole drive (currently SL on the old iMac) to the new drive then reinstall Mavericks.

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