Logic Pro X and Mavericks

For anyone thinking about upgrading to Mavericks...... (OS X 10.9)

Firstly, don't upgrade straight away!!!!!

Only do so if you have full clone backups of your system HD. Use something like Carbon Copy Cloner or Superduper! to make a clone of your current system disk before you try and install Mavericks... and please do not rely on Time Machine backups.. as in the past, these types of backups have no provided full protection after upgrading the OS. Only a decent cloned image of your system drive, that you can easily and quickly restore from, will provide you with that safety net just in case anything goes wrong... so you can just restore from the cloned image and be back where you started from prior to the upgrade to 10.9

Wait a few days until some of the Users here and elsewhere.. have tested out the combination of LPX and the Public Release version of Mavericks.... I know it's very tempting to use the 'latest and greatest' stuff... but if you rely on your current setup in any real sense... hold off and see what the general option is in regards to compatibility with Drivers/Hardware and Software/plugins etc.... and you will save yourself a lot of potential headaches....

The most common issues after performing a major OS X upgrade are;

1) Driver/hardware incompatibility,...... Do not upgrade unless you know for sure your Audio/Midi interfaces have drivers with full Mavericks compatibility, ready for installation. Check with the device's Websites before even thinking about upgrading! No update or comfirmation of working fine? Don't upgrade!!

2) 3rd party apps and plugin incompatibility. Again, wait and confirm any plugins and other apps you use/need are fully 10.9 compatibile.... before upgrading.

3) Initial bugs.... All OS updates will have some bugs in them initially. .. Its the 'nature of the beast'. No matter how much Beta testing is done, bugs do and will slip through the cracks.... So, wait until at least the first couple of bug fixes are released to correct these enevitable issues... before making the transition.

The above is just some friendly advice from someone who has made all of these mistakes in the past (and paid for it!) It's your choice to follow it or ignore it of course...... but history tells us that those who just charge ahead and upgrade tend to suffer for it later.. Just looking at the hundreds of posts that were made here by users with issues.. after Mountain Lion was released.. willl confirm this....

Cheers..

Logic Pro X, OS X Mountain Lion (10.8.5), Motu UltraLite V3

Posted on Oct 22, 2013 1:22 PM

161 replies

Oct 27, 2013 4:02 PM in response to teamfiend

Yay!

That makes sense.. They must have reset your download history on the App Store server and then that fixed things for you... Its not a common issue but one I have come across in the past with others.. so I'm glad they took care of things and got it sorted out for you!

Also glad to hear updating cured your original problem too.. Thanks for letting us know...

Cheers..

Nigel

Oct 28, 2013 4:56 PM in response to **j**

Having the same issue here...Everything else works like a charm: plugins, instruments, etc. I hope apple or someone finds a solution on this issue...luckily LP8 is a hobby for me so I´m not planning to downgrade. Mavericks feels great.

Blueberry

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Oct 28, 2013 5:04 PM in response to Manu Burilo

There is no solution for Logic Pro 8 to run on Mavericks.

Oct 28, 2013 5:14 PM in response to Blueberry

...and in addition, I don't believe there ever will be fix for LP8 Users... I could be wrong but I suspect not given v9.1.8 works ok along with LPX.. and LP8 is considered unsupported in recent versions of OS X

Oct 29, 2013 4:17 AM in response to The Art Of Sound

Hi Art,

Hope you are well?

Really wish I read your posting BEFORE I upgraded to Mavericks.

As far as I am concerned, there shouldn't be a problem with Mavericks as it is out of its testing phase and available to mass market. Another quality issue here with Apple since Job's death I feel!

Anyhoo my issue is (and want to know if anyone else has the same shizzle) Am using latest gen iMac i7 etc etc, using a Motu 828MK3, Logic X and a humble USB MIDI Yamaha keyboard.

It appears that for some reason, I can assign the Motu as the main source for input/output sound and for no reason the sound just vanishes! It will play however through iMac speakers. Prior to the sound vanishing, the music cuts out, there is a background high-pitched sound (almost like tinitus in your ears) then that goes.

Motu also state on their website that they "MOTU has worked with Apple to ensure current MOTU products are compatible with OS X Mavericks, and to provide a smooth transition for your MOTU products when you upgrade to OS X Mavericks." Sorry about this black hihg light, I can't get rid of it since copying from Motu's website..

Does anyone have similar issues ot any fixes? (Yes I have updated the drivers 🙂 )

**j**

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Oct 30, 2013 5:42 AM in response to The Art Of Sound

I found a copy of Mountain Lion and installed it. I love it! I did it because it still supported Logic 8. But I went ahead and got X and found out it plays all my 8 files so I got rid of 8 and am using X now. I ike it but what happened to the drum editing? Is it me or are we not able to edit the drum samples of Drum Machine. I just got it a few days ago so I'm just figuring it out.

Oct 30, 2013 6:57 AM in response to **j**

**J**

Are you talking about Ultrabeat? I think it may have vhanged slightly now as you use Drumming Avatars and can swap their drums about and their styles. Haven't spent too much time on it TBH because of the issues I have posted above. Ultrabeat is a little clunky, wish they bought Fruityloops and hardpatched it in as a part of Logic! 🙂

Oct 30, 2013 7:59 AM in response to El Gweiro

Good morning El Gweiro,

Hope you are doing well today?

I have, sort of 'bad news' for you in a sense....

I tested out a client's brand new iMac with LPX and a 828Mk3 under Mavericks last night and found no issues at all...

So.. here's the thing...

Are you connecting using FW or USB? (We tested using FW via a TB to FW adaptor.. as my client doesnt have a hub and his USB ports were in use with Midi controllers etc..)

Does your iMac have a Fusion Drive? (There is a known issue using a FD 2013 iMac and USB Audio Interfaces under Mountain Lion and under certain circumstances, under Mavericks.)

My client didn't have a Fusion Drive model.... and unfortunately my own 2013 iMac doesn't have a Fusion Drive eitehr so I cannot test this FD issue out here.. but I have had none of the sound issues using my FW Audio Interfaces...

Finally what you are describing in terms of what happens .. sounds like your Audio Driver is 'crashing" CoreAudio as that is exactly the sort of high whining sound followed by no sound, that i would expect to hear when this happens.. and unfortunately there can be several reasons for this happening.. (Driver issue, port or bus issue, software conflict.. and so on..) which can be very hard to track down.

Oct 30, 2013 8:21 AM in response to The Art Of Sound

Hey Art!

Thanks for the reply, I was doing better today until I read your reply lol 🙂

Am using 3TB Fusion drive with Fire to Thunder converter.

So it seems there is an issue with FusionDriven iMacs and AudioInterface then...... Lame, most incredibly lame!

Who do I harrass now to get a fix for this as I have the best part of £1600 worth of Interface and speakers doing nothing?

Really appreciate your speedy response, I think I will go for a wee cry now! 😟

My thanks again,

James

Oct 30, 2013 9:11 AM in response to El Gweiro

James,

The good news is that Apple's Engineering team are aware of an issue regarding the 2013 iMacs with Fusion Drives fitten so hopefully a fix is coming along soon.

Having said that.. I don't think that is your problem... I could be wrong but physical driver crashing is not what is being reported in regards to the 2013 iMac plus FDs problem... In those cases they get crackles and pops.. (Known as the Rice Crispy effect) and you are having a much more serious outcome rather than just that....

It could be related.. but I suspect its going to turn out to be some weird driver issue or something conflicting internally with your setup/OS X configuration...

So, what would I recommend?

First off.. Basic elimination troubleshooting methods...

Start with an absolutely blank project...

Do a test using just Logic Pro's own Software instrument plugins in a few SI tracks.... and see if you get the same crash.. This will exclude any possibility of it being a 3rd party plugin issue (which is very common I might add) Don't use any audio tracks.. just software instrument tracks...

Next, do the same again but add some Apple loops to an Audio track and test and see if that causes the same problem... If it doesn't this will exclude purely Audio as being the source of the issue..

Now, add in some of your 3rd party plugins.. Instruments and FX, one at a time.. and see what happens...

If you have already tried this or you don't use any 3rd party stuff.. and you get crashes just by doing the first test.. I would then assume it has to be a driver issue.. so long as you make sure you have nothing else running in the background.. make sure all other apps are terminated... (with the exception of Finder... I mean all apps of any kind) including those running in the background.. This will eliminate any possible software conflicts...

One other test if possible.. would be for you to borrow a different AI and see if you get the same issues using that... instead of your 828...

Also physically unplug your 828.. and test using the built in Musical keyboard and using only the internal Audio from your Mac and see what happens... just to elminate the 828 completely from being the casue..

Oct 30, 2013 9:20 AM in response to The Art Of Sound

One other thing..

Make a careful note of what exactly you did just prior to the issue occuring and see if there is a pattern..

For example.. it happens when you add an audio track and then press play... or you walk away from your Mac and then come back....

The more info you can identify that is specific to this issue occuring the more likely a reason might be found.

As an example of a similar issue I had.. was when using the FW to TB adaptor with an AI under ML... I found if my energy Saving settings put the display to sleep my AI would suddenly behave strangely when i woke up the screen... Stopping the screen going to sleep prevented this issue.. Later on Apple released a fix that solved this issue happening when the display went to sleep automatically.. but for a while it was one of those 'strange' things going on that few people noticed.

Oct 30, 2013 9:20 AM in response to The Art Of Sound

Hi Art,

Thanks again for the speedy reply!

I get this issue when using iTunes as well, so once again in an attempt of optimism I downloaded drivers and reinstalled. Was listening to Half Moon Run (most excellent!) with no issue to report!

Then it happened again GAAAAAHHHHHHH (feeling like I want to shout at my mac like Gollum!!!!)

Well, the news you report certainly does sound optimisitic, what do you think it is about the FD that is causing this? Is it to do with how info is bounced back and forth from the HDD to the SSD, or is this something in Mavericks which has caused the issue?

What do you think the turnaround time for a patch from Apple will be?

Really am very very very thankfull for the help and support 🙂

Have a great evening,

James

Oct 30, 2013 9:24 AM in response to El Gweiro

Do you get this issue with iTunes when you are using the internal Mmac audio or are you still using your 828 for Audio?

The problem seems to be bus related.. with some form of overload going on with that bus when used in conjunction with a FD... and an AI...

As for when a patch may be released? No idea.. These things can sometimes be quickly fixed and others, it may be a while depending in the complexity of the fix and the issue itself.. and if it needs a software fix or a firmware fix (which typically take longer to design and test)

Oct 30, 2013 9:26 AM in response to The Art Of Sound

Hi Art,

No just get the issue with the Motu, internal Sound Card working fine! 🙂

Oct 30, 2013 9:39 AM in response to El Gweiro

Okay.. so this is a different issue to the iMac and FD issue that so many people are reporting.....because those with the FD issue have problems with just using internal Audio... as well as an external AI..

Therefore, do the observation tests I suggested and in particular watch out for if it happens after your screen and/or Mac goes to sleep.... Try changing the energy settings temporarily so nothing goes to sleep... (just set it to never on both sliders) and see if that fixes it..

Otherwise, just keep a careful note of what you do just before it happens.. and again, see if there is any pattern...

....and test when nothing else is running.. other than Finder and whichever app you are using when it occurs, like just iTunes or just Logic.

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