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Logic Pro X and Mavericks

For anyone thinking about upgrading to Mavericks...... (OS X 10.9)


Firstly, don't upgrade straight away!!!!!


Only do so if you have full clone backups of your system HD. Use something like Carbon Copy Cloner or Superduper! to make a clone of your current system disk before you try and install Mavericks... and please do not rely on Time Machine backups.. as in the past, these types of backups have no provided full protection after upgrading the OS. Only a decent cloned image of your system drive, that you can easily and quickly restore from, will provide you with that safety net just in case anything goes wrong... so you can just restore from the cloned image and be back where you started from prior to the upgrade to 10.9


Wait a few days until some of the Users here and elsewhere.. have tested out the combination of LPX and the Public Release version of Mavericks.... I know it's very tempting to use the 'latest and greatest' stuff... but if you rely on your current setup in any real sense... hold off and see what the general option is in regards to compatibility with Drivers/Hardware and Software/plugins etc.... and you will save yourself a lot of potential headaches....


The most common issues after performing a major OS X upgrade are;


1) Driver/hardware incompatibility,...... Do not upgrade unless you know for sure your Audio/Midi interfaces have drivers with full Mavericks compatibility, ready for installation. Check with the device's Websites before even thinking about upgrading! No update or comfirmation of working fine? Don't upgrade!!


2) 3rd party apps and plugin incompatibility. Again, wait and confirm any plugins and other apps you use/need are fully 10.9 compatibile.... before upgrading.


3) Initial bugs.... All OS updates will have some bugs in them initially. .. Its the 'nature of the beast'. No matter how much Beta testing is done, bugs do and will slip through the cracks.... So, wait until at least the first couple of bug fixes are released to correct these enevitable issues... before making the transition.


The above is just some friendly advice from someone who has made all of these mistakes in the past (and paid for it!) It's your choice to follow it or ignore it of course...... but history tells us that those who just charge ahead and upgrade tend to suffer for it later.. Just looking at the hundreds of posts that were made here by users with issues.. after Mountain Lion was released.. willl confirm this....


Cheers..

Logic Pro X, OS X Mountain Lion (10.8.5), Motu UltraLite V3

Posted on Oct 22, 2013 1:22 PM

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Jan 13, 2014 11:07 PM in response to kcstudio

Well I guess I am just being cautious. I'm usually part way through some sort of project, so there's never really a great time to update/upgrade anything.


I've had some real snags in the past - a bit gun shy.

After a bit of research, I learned that I'd still have 9, undisturbed, so I decided to take the plunge, download and dig into LPX anyway.

Right now, listening to my first LP9 track opened in X, I'm having no issues.

In the end, I had read enough to feel confident before getting your reply.


Thanks for your time.

Very much appreciated.


...and yes, this long, cold, quiet winter is taking it's toll (but it's also Sofa King Wonderful)



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Jan 13, 2014 11:20 PM in response to Mactualized

Oké, I see....good to hear everything turned out to work well. I'm still in a very experimental stage with Mavericks OS on an external, until now some minor issues but nothing spectacular. Seems to do its job as advertised, although there are some disturbing reports about graphic problems, but they are system dependend anyway....


Cheers!

Jan 14, 2014 11:44 AM in response to Chance Harper

Thanks for posting this. Always interesting to see how others use Logic. I'm curious: are you doubling a lot of tracks or are all of these tracks different? I worked with an artist that would stack multiple exact copies of the same software instrument tracks in the belief that it "beefed up" the sound, which makes sense if you're varying the instrument settings or other parameters across the tracks but I couldn't hear a difference beyond it just being louder. I'm still fond of the analog mindset that less is more but I'm primarily recording rock bands and it's rare that I exceed 32 tracks. I also prefer, in most cases, to make decisions and move on. It so easy to get seduced by the idea that "we'll fix it later" but that usually results in more work for a less-satisfying performance. Better to get it right or as close as possible, IMO. Is it possible to share a mix of this?

Thanks,

John


Edited to add: WRT Mavericks and LPX, it's working well on my MBP Retina. I have experienced the audio glitching while scrolling that others have reported but not consistently. It's worth mentioning that I am mostly mixing on the MBP. I do most of my multitrack recording on my MacPro. The glitching on the MacPro is more common and has, on occasion, ruined a recording. It's definitely something I have to work around, which is really lame. As a result of following this thread, I have decided to put off upgrading to Mavericks on my MacPro studio machine, mainly because it's almost 5 years old.


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Jan 14, 2014 11:50 AM in response to John Curley

Tip: When doubling up instruments to thicken up a sound... you could reprogram the 'second' instrument so its a slightly different sound.... that gives more texture to the finished product... and alter the timing of the two parts... by literally re-recording the second part without any quantisizing so each part plays back with slightly different timings and dynamics.. much like double tracking vocals..


Example, Using one violin instrument to produce both Violins 1 & 2 sections... I will change the pan position and the tone of the second violins slightly to help the seconds stand out from the firsts to a small degree... However changing the timing of the two parts when both instruments are playing the same 'notes' in unison... is much more effective too.

Jan 14, 2014 12:14 PM in response to John Curley

Hey John, thank for the reply.


No there are no copied parts in this song, everything that's there should be there. Vocals are always recorded twice for when and if I double a part.


This is gonna sound arrogant, so sorry about that but I consider copying a region twice on two different channels to beef up the source a rookie mistake, unless of course like you say, you do some settings to one of the sources to alter it in some way (delay one channel or place a phase effect on one of the channels etc.)


I don't mind sharing the mix with u. Infact I would welcome it, I might learn something. When I'm done with the whole project we'll sort it out. It's a mini album and I'll only be able to share it once I'm done and it's released, out of respect for the client.


Just today I finished an "Ellie Golding type of pop song" for another client and the track count finished on about 50 channels, just instruments so I am surprised to hear of guys hovering around the 32 mark with channel count. I suppose it's all in the genre really. I often layer sounds, like two or three different synths, pads or even snares together.

Jan 14, 2014 12:32 PM in response to Chance Harper

FWIW Chance,


When doing mockups of orchestral soundtrack scores I often reach 60-80 individual tracks with ease these days.... and sometimes more depending on the size of the Orchestra being recreated, additional non orchestral instruments.. the music style itself.. and the amount of detail required for the mockup... Add to that Foley tracks and its not unusual to reach 100+.... so I know what you mean!


Different Genres may require less or maybe more tracks.. as will the style of working and workflow too.


🙂

Jan 14, 2014 4:53 PM in response to John Curley

Just thought I'd throw in my $.02 here as well, as I spent many years as a studio engineer and producer - back in the day.


I often use multiple tracks for one musical element for a variety of reasons.

1) I will keep the original MIDI file of a performance (even if it's not in current use)

2) I will create an audio file of that MIDI part

3) I will often 'resample' that audio track, so that I've freed up the effects and processing CPU demands

4) I can then modify either the MIDI or audio tracks as much as I like, and yet, can EASILY go backwards.

5) it is often desireable to have a different eq or comp. setting on the send to an effect, (even if you don't hear that track's unaffected audio)

6) using mulitple, slightly different performances will always create a fuller sound

(ie. in a real orchestra, you may have 4 peoople playing 1st violin, all the same part. Their variations in attack, tuning and the character of each instrument forming the fullness of that part of the string section. Same for vocal choirs.........)


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Jan 15, 2014 2:56 AM in response to Chance Harper

Chance Harper - Thanks for posting that, this thread has become one of the most interesting i've seen since posting here since your input.


Those tracks, they appear to be in doubles, does that mean you have a seperate track for Left and Right (i.e. your working in pairs).


I always work with stereo tracks, and i'm wondering now if i should try a project using seperate tracks for my stereo pairs, i've often heard people say they prefere working with mono as it gives a better sound. And it makes wholly sense for me as i have Mono sources coming in - In fact, it seems a bit hair brained that i record them as Stereo.


Someone let me know if i'm wrong in that assumption please, as i'm going to be out recreating the wheel later and probably end up with a slightly rounded cube! 😉


Anyone know of a good resource to discuss mixing/doubling techniques by the way? I really dig conversations like this. I don't like discussing technicalities and bugs non-stop but i do like conversing with musicians/technications in order to make me look at my own methods.

Jun 25, 2015 8:43 PM in response to The Art Of Sound

I am using Logic Pro x on Mt.Lion right now & wish to upgrade to mavericks.

Will I loose my 3rd party plugin license once I change over?

Will I need to download logic,3rd part softwares & other softwares all over again or will it remain on the Mac?

Will the 3rd party music plugins work on Mavericks?

Will all the answers apply even if I am upgrading to Yosemite?


Thanks

Logic Pro X and Mavericks

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