Mavericks Install Failed?

Fair enough, I was wondering if you had some extra dirt

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Yeah, I'm hearing FlipforMac is having problems under Mavericks too.

I haven't checked on VLC Player yet. We all knoe Perian was officially dropped a couple years ago, but still worked fine under Mountain Lion.

Thanks

The thing about FlipforMac is that it confrts in such a that, when you close a file, Quicktime wants to save it as a .mov. *****.

Oh yeah.....Thanks Malcom.

I do remeber seeing that when Mavericks was installed.

Many media formats that played perfectly in Quicktime via FlipForMac wanted to "Convert" on opening and "Export" on closing. What the heck is with that?

For those of you who have stayed with Maveriscks, I hope this will be fixed in a subsequant version of FlipForMac.....but maybe not. It may be a further example if Apple leaving us in the cold on non .mov media.

Apple tech support suggested I install Quicktime 7 to play what I guess they're calling legacy media now. That wouldn't be a big deal to live with, but you still lose icon previews in Finder I believe. That forces me to dig in my media development folders and play each one to find the original, edits in progress version, post edit versions, and final versions. Yes, I try to keep organized and use good file naming convenstions to track my media, but when you're getting media from Windows users all the time it gets difficult. By backing down to Mountain Lion all those problems went away. I have full preview icons of all media types in all folders.

So, how is Mavericks better ?

I'm supposed to live with all these shortcomings just to get useless features like "Tags" ?

BTW.... since backing down to Mountain Lion....I seem to have my unbelievably fast Retina w/ SSD performance back also.

Cold boot to desktop......12 seconds.

ALL files open virtually instantaneously.

My Windows coworkers would be very jealous to see Word documents and PowerPoitns opening from Finder in 1-1 1/2 seconds. The ABSOLUTE BEST, lest anyone think I'm Apple bashing.

markr010001, your complaints sound very familiar. It sounds like several other people I have helped via EtreCheck reports on 10.9.

Abysmal performance & annoying bugs after upgrade points to 1 of 2 issues…

1. Apple messed up the install or upgrade of 10.9

2. Something on the system is interfering with the system

How you can leap to number 1 as 'the answer' without doing any form of testing is beyond me & defies all known troubleshooting techniques.

I don't think Apple read these threads (with over 13,000 posts for Mavericks alone why would anyone think that Apple do this?). The official "Apple community support members" post rarely in these threads.

I'd suggest you leave feedback for Apple regarding the changes you disagree with.

http://www.apple.com/feedback/

With respect to the performance issues, you can continue to point out why 10.8 is better, but until you post something concrete (like an EtreCheck report from any OS) it is just anecdotal evidence, sorry.

We can't help you with an OS that no longer exists.

It's a help forum, we are here to try to do that, anything else is superfluous.

Thanks Drew,

I truyly appreciate your assistance.

Maybe I'll try Mavericks again soon. I'll track other users problems as well as my own, and when I feel comfortable, I'm sure I'll finely make the leap to Mavericks.

Thanks Again,

Mark

I would like to point out though Drew.....Apple may see some of these new features as a form of going forward, but for users it's a representation of an OS Install Fail. Those comments do belong here.

Try not to be too much of a homer 😉

Thanks

Mark

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You are right markr010001, I think Apple do believe this is progress & your comments are completely relevant here.

As I look at the history (Quicktime has been around since 1991, that is 23 years of legacy code & codec support, much of that is external to Apple, Filp4Mac Perian, all the other codec plugins…) it becomes clear that it needs a total refresh.

Sadly Apple chose to push everyone into the 'convert or be dashed' camp. 5-10 years away we will all be happy that H264 (or H265) plays better than anything we can remember.

It's going to be an uphill struggle though 😟 especially since Apple seems to create bigger files than the sources.

I suspect someone will make an app to limit the amount of transcoding needed (just update the container format if the file has H264 compatible media).

It's probably a good time for heavy video users to skip this update & let Apple get their thoughts together for a more realistic solution in 10.10. Maybe AVFoundation will get a few 64bit versions of codec plugins, but Apple hasn't told developers how to do that yet, 'doh indeed.

**fingers crossed**

Thanks Drew,

I agree with all your comments. It's clear Apple wants to move forward in a few areas in which their users may not be ready. We'll see how the "media wars" play out. Every CODEC of course thinks their way is best. I understand that. That's business. Bringing iOS devices into the mix even further complicates the landscape.

The Cog Wheel issue with Finder I experienced is the show stopper for my home machine (Retina 15.... AWESOME system) I may have had an underlying problem occur under Mountain Lion that was exasperated under Mavericks. It's certainly possible. When I'm finally ready to try a Mavericks install again I will try your suggestion of EtreCheck or just perform a clean OS install and then reinstall all my software.

Thanks Again,

Mark

Okay, here's the deal: what you guys are talking about now has been Apple's modus operandi ever since the beginning, and certainly since Steve Jobs took over the company. How many years did the Mac come with a black and white screen? And yet, since the beginning, they were the darlings of graphics professionals. How long was it until OS X had the ability to burn a CD all by itself? The WMV file format was, in part, developed by Apple, but it wasn't until OS 9.2 when FlipforMac gave the Mac the ability to play back this type of file. Originally QuickTime was panned for the lack of file support, that's why there was Perian. (FlipforMac and Perian both 3rd party solutions)

Apple has never been a revolutionary company, they have always been about evolution and doing things and they see fit. They also try not to cram everything into their operating system. You know what you get when a company does that? Windows. Have you used Windows 8? It absolutely is a piece of garbage. Given what I went through the past three weeks, I would rather do that instead of having to be forced to use a Windows box. The amount of time I've spent fixing my Mac operating system pales in comparison to my former Windows machine. And I have been on a Mac three times as long (15 years).

No doubt, Mavericks has issues. But I also have no doubt that they will be fixed.

Sorry Malcolm..... I'm not following you.

You talk about media formats and that Apple has never been revolutionary, and then tie it up by saying Mavericks has issues but will be fixed.

You're all over the map buddy. 😉

I lost all and had to replace hard drive, due to maverick installation.

I try to back up data from MBPro through MBAir as some disk error on the source computer and by some reason MBPro is not visible after T reboot and I don't know how to get data from MBpro. Can you help guys?

I FIGURED OUT HOW TO FIX THIS! Mavericks royally messed up my HD and I was freaking out because I didn't have a back-up. After much research online and going back and forth from different forums here is how to fix your "damaged" HD.

So basically to save your data (if your disk is cannot be repaired in Disk Utility or you can't access it or if you keep getting stuck in the loop), you have use an external hard drive as the start up disk and install Lion or Mavericks on that then transfer your files from the HD to the external. Then shut down the computer, remove the external (so it tries to boot up on its own), go into Recovery Mode then to Disk Utility and do a level 7 erase (it will be in your security options under erase. It's the Most Secure one that the US Department of Defense uses. This will take about 12 hours and once that is done, restart your computer in Recovery Mode then reinstall Lion. To transfer your data back on your computer, plug in the external and use it as a hard drive, your data will be under the User folder and whatever username you use. TAKE THAT APPLE.