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PeterBreis0807 Author

Level 8

41,196 points

Pages 5 features checklist

As you go through the new Pages 5 can you please add an added, missing or altered features here please.

I will start with some culled from the general discussions and if you could correct any errors add them:

Added

1. Right to Left text ie Arabic, Farsi & Hebrew. Uncertain about Pashtu

2. Single model templates. You turn off document text to get rid of the default. Not sure if this then can be mixed and matched with Word Processing templates

3. Able to share outside iCloud

Missing

1. Selecting non-contiguous text gone

2. Outline view appears gone

3. Customizable Toolbar is gone

4. Many templates appear gone

5. Captured pages gone

6. Reorganize pages by dragging gone

7. Duplicate pages gone

8. Subscript/superscript buttons gone

9. Select all instances of a Style is gone

10. Retain zoom level of document gone

11. Facing pages gone

12. Endnotes gone

13. Media Inspector can't find iPhoto library on external drive

14. Update is missing for older installations, Apple is reportedly working on a solution via a redeemable code or update on the ir Support Download site

Altered

1. Language set under Edit > Spelling and Grammar > Show Spelling and Grammar now document wide

2. Subscript/superscript text is now a convoluted route Gear > Advanced options > Baseline > Subscript/Superscript

3. Header appears to be multi-column

4. New file format (but still .pages?) not backwardly compatible

5. Page numbering method changed

6. T.O.C. appears buggy

7. Template file storage location moved - to where?

8. Imported older .pages files are not translating properly

9. Text language is detected automatically now

Letting you know I can't test or verify any of these as I haven't got Mavericks yet.

Peter

iMac, OS X Mountain Lion (10.8.4)

Posted on Oct 22, 2013 7:57 PM

1,554 replies

PeterBreis0807 Author

Level 8

41,196 points

Oct 24, 2013 9:17 AM in response to cosmofromwatertown

cosmofromwatertown wrote:

I had thought the same. With a few tweak iBooks Author could be a marvelous 'Pages Pro'. However, my fear is of something much more sinister. I fear this is the tip of the iceberg. This is the beginning of a philosophical shift at Apple.

We all remember the '1984' ad that started the Mac revolution, the Orwellian future, the 'Borg-like' one-mind mentality. How the individual triumphed by casting her hammer into Big Brother. Apple staked its claim on empowering the individual and their own creativity against the forces of evil that would turn us all into stone-like lemmings. This IS the DNA the Mac was founded on.

However, with the success of FaceBook, Twitter, Google, the dollar signs are once again pointing toward the Orwellian 'one-mind' future (to say nothing about the growing acceptibility of collecting data and spying). With Jobs gone, Cook and Ive are recharting the new minimalist, future of the 'collective'. This is their vision. It seems to me all the 'individualized' features had to be abandoned to implement the new iOS 'collective' experience - like the new US healthcare problems, the implementation of all these features were approaching a mathematical impossiblity in the face of this new 'collective,' 'collaborative' ideal. So, out they went.... and they can't come back without bloating the program and defying the new minimalist ideal.

I fear this is the end of Apple. The DNA has changed. HAL has taken over. They had to have known what they were doing. Like a sort of mental syndrome, the appeal of their dream future, along with the profit potential and gravitas from the iOS side, will turn Apple into the very Big Brother Jobs feared - those who do not share in this dream will be marginalized and pushed away. The future is the new Pages: cookie cutter and pretty.

cosmo

That always was bunkum, Jobs was only trying to get the faithful to ring the wagons.

Jobs was always the Orwellian figure on the screen using Newspeak to persuade the followers that black was white then black again as we had to follow all his twists and turns.

If you remember the basic plot in 1984 was how the 3 great global powers would switch alliances at intervals and the masses would have to hate the old allies they previously loved and switch to loving their evil foes, on cue.

What does that remind you of? IBM, Microsoft, Intel, Dell, Google, Android… it goes on and on.

Peter

Oct 24, 2013 9:20 AM in response to PeterBreis0807

Robson wrote:

Peter, have you updated your list to take into account replies which mentioned certain features aren't missing after all? I haven't checked the whole thing but I noticed you didn't erase "Endnotes" from the "Removed" list even though PaulBee said they're not gone:https://discussions.apple.com/thread/5468056?answerId=23478188022#23478188022.

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This is a tough call, if the workaround is so either complicated, time consuming or awkward as to make it more or less unusable, it still remains unusable in my eyes. The issue with unticking "document body" as a means to be able to delete individual pages being a prime example. If I unclick "document body" it removed all inline text from the document and all formatting also. Therefore while I then technically delete a page, I no longer have a functioning document.

PeterBreis0807 Author

Level 8

41,196 points

Oct 24, 2013 9:25 AM in response to cheekyjeremy

Yes which is why it didn't fit the one line listings in the Added, Removed, Altered model, so best left out of it.

Peter

Oct 24, 2013 9:32 AM in response to Uelef

Uelef wrote:

I have to disagree in one point what people wrote here: textbox linking is still possible but it works not the same way as in Pages ’09.

Here's an article I wrote about textbox linking in Pages 5.0 (sorry: in German):

http://www.ratschlag24.com/pages-5.0-textfelder-miteinander-verknuepfen

Intersting read. It seems to be a different feature, more like masking. Text flows from one box to the next, but once you have "joined" them, they merge into one singe new shape that you can't separate any more. Meaning you can't move, resize or delete one of those boxes.

But, cool new feature for whom it is useful.

Oct 24, 2013 9:34 AM in response to PeterBreis0807

CHECKLIST - Alphabetized (and with strike-thrus removed)

New Pages 5 added, removed or altered features

As of Oct. 24 2013, 9:23AM

ADDED

Collaboration
Phonetic Guide for Chinese & Japanese
Right to Left text
Share outside iCloud
Single model templates. No More Word Processing/Layout templates
Template names can be changed inside the Template Chooser
Text language is detected automatically

REMOVED

135 templates

Accented Characters in Footer

Alignment Guides

Background Object selectable

Bookmarks and Links

Bullet points in comments

Capture pages/sections

Character Styles (?)

Import of older .pages formatting - Not Clean

Customizable Toolbar

Default Start Up page

Delete page

Drag and Drop VCards

Drag reorganize pages

Duplicate pages

Endnotes

Export to .txt or .rtf

Facing pages

Find & Replace special characters (e.g. paragraph returns)

Images within Tables

Import Styles

Insert File Name

Layout Breaks

Layout Margins

List Styles (?)

Mail Merge

Manage Pages

Mask with shapes other than rectangle

Mathtype/Grapher Equations/Formulae within Pages

Media Inspector links to Aperture Library

Media Inspector links to iPhoto library on external drive

Merge Fields

Multiple Comments view

Open Type features

Outline view

Paste and keep style

Retain zoom level of document

Search comments

Search in Media Browser

Search Sidebar

Select all instances of a Style

Select non-contiguous text

Selective formatting in Character Styles

Storyboards

Style Function key shortcuts

Styles Drawer

Subscript/superscript buttons

T.O.C. clean numbering

Tables in Headers/Footers

Tables to Text

Text to Tables

Textbox linking

Two-up view

User Guide (?)

Vertical Ruler

Word (.DOCX) export to iCloud

Altered

AppleScript Library for Pages 5 has changed with many classes and commands removed which indicates how the feature lists have been slashed
Character Styles are in the Text Inspector under Bold, Italic etc
Documents reconverted back to Pages '09 lose all template information
Drag and Drop text only works with .txt files now
Header appears to be multi-column
Language set moved to Edit > Spelling and Grammar > Show Spelling and Grammar now document wide
New file format/architecture (but still .pages in name?) not backwardly compatible
Page numbering method changed
Pages '09 files previewed on iPad via iCloud are irrevocably converted
Subscript/superscript text is now a convoluted route Gear > Advanced options > Baseline > Subscript/Superscript,
Tabbing within Table cells appears to be inconsistent, tabbing internally with numbers.
Template file storage location moved …somewhere?
Update is missing for older installations (Apple is reportedly working on a solution via a redeemable code or update on their Support Download site)
Wrap methods have been cut back severely

trip1ex

Level 1

9 points

Oct 24, 2013 9:49 AM in response to PeterBreis0807

It seems pretty normal for Apple to include less features when they rewrite software and, in time, add them back in. It also seems pretty normal for people to overreact.

iMovie and FCX come to mind. 🙂

Oct 24, 2013 9:52 AM in response to PeterBreis0807

Here is an example of how my table of contents looks now, in two different documents. The numbers on each page appear normal, but in the table of contents, they look like this:

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Tom Gewecke

Level 10

118,554 points

Oct 24, 2013 9:54 AM in response to Joel Cranford

REMOVED

Export to .txt or .rtf

Mathtype/Grapher Equations/Formulae within Pages

Export to Plain Text was not removed.

Both import and export of .rtf was removed.

Insert MathType Equation is still there.

enteecee

Level 2

331 points

Oct 24, 2013 9:55 AM in response to PeterBreis0807

FTR, for those saying that Power Users are the only people getting slighted here, that's jsut not the case. Facing pages is very basic, as are some of the other stripped features.

Oct 24, 2013 10:00 AM in response to PeterBreis0807

Regarding this item:

↪ Template file storage location moved …somewhere?

Someone else mentioned this earlier (page 9, I think?), but I just found it myself, and it looks like their earlier post may have been overlooked.

User templates are now stored in

~/Library/Containers/com.apple.iWork.pages (right-click, Show Package Contents) /Data/Library/Application Support/User Templates/

Nice and user-friendly, isn't it? 😝

jtsnyc47

Level 1

4 points

Oct 24, 2013 10:11 AM in response to PeterBreis0807

If Apple were to take the Inspector from iWork '09 and stick it where the content-aware Inspector is now, that would address 90% of my personal gripes. I would even encourage them to whack the "hyperlinks inspector" and the "QuickTime inspector" to save space/acknowledge that no one uses them.

The content-aware paradigm strikes me as very Microsoft Office-ish. At the very least, it's extremely disorienting.

Oct 24, 2013 10:23 AM in response to PeterBreis0807

Looks like numbered headings have gone as well??? I can't give my headings 1 an automatic number anymore.

Oct 24, 2013 10:34 AM in response to PeterBreis0807

I want the "floating" inspector window back instead of that sidebar!

Mark0328

Level 1

0 points

Oct 24, 2013 11:00 AM in response to Felix Leiter

I have used Pages the past several years primarily to create graphic intensive weekly flyers for a small business. Can anyone tell me if these features have been removed in the new version?

Instant Alpha

Bring Forward / Send Backward commands

Access to full color pallette

Adjust Image controls

Ability to scale and adjust images in inches

Very much appreciated. Thanks

nitschi

Level 1

4 points

Oct 24, 2013 11:01 AM in response to PeterBreis0807

I can only encourage everyone to send feedback to Apple:

--> http://www.apple.com/feedback/pages.html

I'm well aware that it won't change anything within the next few days, weeks or maybe even months... but if they recieve hundreds and thousands of negative feedback reports they might actually know that they should bring back some features.

Pages 5 features checklist