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PeterBreis0807 Author

Level 8

41,196 points

Pages 5 features checklist

As you go through the new Pages 5 can you please add an added, missing or altered features here please.

I will start with some culled from the general discussions and if you could correct any errors add them:

Added

1. Right to Left text ie Arabic, Farsi & Hebrew. Uncertain about Pashtu

2. Single model templates. You turn off document text to get rid of the default. Not sure if this then can be mixed and matched with Word Processing templates

3. Able to share outside iCloud

Missing

1. Selecting non-contiguous text gone

2. Outline view appears gone

3. Customizable Toolbar is gone

4. Many templates appear gone

5. Captured pages gone

6. Reorganize pages by dragging gone

7. Duplicate pages gone

8. Subscript/superscript buttons gone

9. Select all instances of a Style is gone

10. Retain zoom level of document gone

11. Facing pages gone

12. Endnotes gone

13. Media Inspector can't find iPhoto library on external drive

14. Update is missing for older installations, Apple is reportedly working on a solution via a redeemable code or update on the ir Support Download site

Altered

1. Language set under Edit > Spelling and Grammar > Show Spelling and Grammar now document wide

2. Subscript/superscript text is now a convoluted route Gear > Advanced options > Baseline > Subscript/Superscript

3. Header appears to be multi-column

4. New file format (but still .pages?) not backwardly compatible

5. Page numbering method changed

6. T.O.C. appears buggy

7. Template file storage location moved - to where?

8. Imported older .pages files are not translating properly

9. Text language is detected automatically now

Letting you know I can't test or verify any of these as I haven't got Mavericks yet.

Peter

iMac, OS X Mountain Lion (10.8.4)

Posted on Oct 22, 2013 7:57 PM

1,554 replies

Oct 24, 2013 6:40 AM in response to gregober

gregober wrote:

....

We don't care about the iPad : who is seriously using iWork with an iPad anyhow !

I use iWork much more on iOS, both iPhone and iPad, than on Mac OS X. I never fully trusted Pages for Mac OS X. Whether my usage is "serious" is a matter of definition. I use it to take notes - not to create elegant documents with beautiful design.

gregober

Level 1

25 points

Oct 24, 2013 6:52 AM in response to SermoDaturCunctis

gregober wrote:

....

We don't care about the iPad : who is seriously using iWork with an iPad anyhow !

I use iWork much more on iOS, both iPhone and iPad, than on Mac OS X. I never fully trusted Pages for Mac OS X. Whether my usage is "serious" is a matter of definition. I use it to take notes - not to create elegant documents with beautiful design.

Then you will probably be happy with the update !

Lucky you !

But 95% of persons on this thread seems to be Core Power Users using advanced functions of Pages (templates, headers, styling, …).

When one resale an update you expect a clear notification of missing features specially when there are more than 20+

The main focus for Pages is (or shall I say was) not to "take notes" but rather edit / create complex documents with ease of use and stability. A lot of "ease" has been removed with this update with a very limited set of new features.

Oct 24, 2013 7:20 AM in response to PeterBreis0807

"going back to Pages 4.3"

Dear Tim,

I've been using Pages all day long in my business for 4 years and it's served me very, very well. I was so happy to be able to use Apple products for word processing and spreadsheets. But the massive changes and feature-removal of Pages 5 will force me to continue using Pages 4.3.

I think that iWork '13 will be a factor which does not encourage business customers to purchase Apple software and hardware. That doesn't seem like a market Apple would abandon. But maybe Apple has just decided to focus on light consumers?

I hope Apple will be applying the iMovie / Final Cut Pro X model and offer a professional-level office suite soon.

I would gladly pay $199 for a professional-level iWork update once every few years.

Hoping this isn't the end.

PeterBreis0807 Author

Level 8

41,196 points

Oct 24, 2013 7:28 AM in response to gregober

gregober wrote:

When one resale an update you expect a clear notification of missing features specially when there are more than 20+

-56 at last count.

The biggest message from this to any business thinking of purchasing from Apple is:

"Don't implement Apple solutions. This is what will happen to you."

Peter

PeterBreis0807 Author

Level 8

41,196 points

Oct 24, 2013 7:23 AM in response to PeterBreis0807

Updated Check List

New Pages 5 added, removed or altered features:

Added

+ Right to Left text

+ Single model templates. No More Word Processing/Layout templates

+ Share outside iCloud

+ Phonetic Guide for Chinese & Japanese

+ Template names can be changed inside the Template Chooser

+ Text language is detected automatically

+ Collaboration

Removed

Select non-contiguous text

Outline view

Customizable Toolbar

135 templates

Capture pages/sections

Drag reorganize pages

Duplicate pages

Delete page

Manage Pages

Subscript/superscript buttons

Select all instances of a Style

Retain zoom level of document

Facing pages

Layout Breaks

Layout Margins

Endnotes

Media Inspector links to iPhoto library on external drive

Media Inspector links to Aperture Library

Alignment Guides

Styles Drawer

Merge Fields

Drag and Drop VCards

Default Start Up page

Vertical Ruler

Style Function key shortcuts

Bookmarks and Links

Images within Tables

Mathtype/Grapher Equations/Formulae within Pages

Import Styles

Clean Import of older .pages formatting

User Guide

Search Sidebar

Open Type features

Textbox linking

Background Object selectable

Storyboards

Text to Tables

Tables to Text

Tables in Headers/Footers

Word export to iCloud

Export to .txt or .rtf

Multiple Comments view

T.O.C. clean numbering

Character Styles ?

List Styles ?

Selective formating in Character Styles

Insert File Name

Search in Media Browser

Bullet points in comments

Search comments

Two up view

Paste and keep style

Accented characters in Footer

Mail Merge

Mask with shapes other than rectangle

Find & Replace special characters eg paragraph returns

Altered

↪ Pages '09 files previewed on iPad via iCloud are irrevocably converted

↪ Update is missing for older installations, Apple is reportedly working on a solution via a redeemable code or update on their Support Download site

↪ Wrap methods have been cut back severely

↪ Documents reconverted back to Pages '09 lose all template information

↪ Language set under Edit > Spelling and Grammar > Show Spelling and Grammar now document wide

↪ Subscript/superscript text is now a convoluted route Gear > Advanced options > Baseline > Subscript/Superscript

↪ Header appears to be multi-column

↪ New file format (but still .pages?) not backwardly compatible

↪ Page numbering method changed

↪ Template file storage location moved …somewhere?

↪ AppleScript Library for Pages 5 has changed with many classes and commands removed which indicates how the feature lists have been slashed

↪ Character Styles are in the Text Inspector under Bold, Italic etc

↪ Tabbing within Table cells appears to be inconsistent, tabbing internally with numbers.

↪ Drag and Drop text only works with .txt files now

_pete

Level 1

119 points

Oct 24, 2013 7:27 AM in response to palm disaster

Oddly, Apple already do a decent app that could be made into a "Pages Pro" or 'iWork for Grown-ups" - it's iBooks Author. Plenty of room for improvement and inter-operability expansion, but I thought it quite decent for a version 1.

Oct 24, 2013 7:45 AM in response to PeterBreis0807

Ironically, compared to the competing products from Microsoft, iWork '09 and Pages 4.3 were widely considered the "lightweight" underdogs. Now with all the features taken out, those dogs are even more underweight.

Oct 24, 2013 8:09 AM in response to gregober

gregober wrote:

gregober wrote:

....

We don't care about the iPad : who is seriously using iWork with an iPad anyhow !

I use iWork much more on iOS, both iPhone and iPad, than on Mac OS X. I never fully trusted Pages for Mac OS X. Whether my usage is "serious" is a matter of definition. I use it to take notes - not to create elegant documents with beautiful design.

Then you will probably be happy with the update !

Lucky you !

But 95% of persons on this thread seems to be Core Power Users using advanced functions of Pages (templates, headers, styling, …).

I admit that I personally am happy with this "update". They added phonetic guides and RTL language support, things I have been waiting for since 2005. This will make it more likely that I will use it more.

In the long list of removed functions, there is only one or two that affect me - none of them vital.

However, the fact that I am happy does of course not help anyone who has invested in the removed functionality. I am very surprised at the number of removed features. One would have thought Apple had learnt after all the bad feedback they got when they cancelled Hypercard, Appleworks and other widely used products in the past.

Oct 24, 2013 8:15 AM in response to _pete

I had thought the same. With a few tweak iBooks Author could be a marvelous 'Pages Pro'. However, my fear is of something much more sinister. I fear this is the tip of the iceberg. This is the beginning of a philosophical shift at Apple.

We all remember the '1984' ad that started the Mac revolution, the Orwellian future, the 'Borg-like' one-mind mentality. How the individual triumphed by casting her hammer into Big Brother. Apple staked its claim on empowering the individual and their own creativity against the forces of evil that would turn us all into stone-like lemmings. This IS the DNA the Mac was founded on.

However, with the success of FaceBook, Twitter, Google, the dollar signs are once again pointing toward the Orwellian 'one-mind' future (to say nothing about the growing acceptibility of collecting data and spying). With Jobs gone, Cook and Ive are recharting the new minimalist, future of the 'collective'. This is their vision. It seems to me all the 'individualized' features had to be abandoned to implement the new iOS 'collective' experience - like the new US healthcare problems, the implementation of all these features were approaching a mathematical impossiblity in the face of this new 'collective,' 'collaborative' ideal. So, out they went.... and they can't come back without bloating the program and defying the new minimalist ideal.

I fear this is the end of Apple. The DNA has changed. HAL has taken over. They had to have known what they were doing. Like a sort of mental syndrome, the appeal of their dream future, along with the profit potential and gravitas from the iOS side, will turn Apple into the very Big Brother Jobs feared - those who do not share in this dream will be marginalized and pushed away. The future is the new Pages: cookie cutter and pretty.

Uelef

Level 1

5 points

Oct 24, 2013 8:30 AM in response to PeterBreis0807

I have to disagree in one point what people wrote here: textbox linking is still possible but it works not the same way as in Pages ’09.

Here's an article I wrote about textbox linking in Pages 5.0 (sorry: in German):

http://www.ratschlag24.com/pages-5.0-textfelder-miteinander-verknuepfen

Robson

Level 1

24 points

Oct 24, 2013 8:35 AM in response to PeterBreis0807

Peter, have you updated your list to take into account replies which mentioned certain features aren't missing after all? I haven't checked the whole thing but I noticed you didn't erase "Endnotes" from the "Removed" list even though PaulBee said they're not gone: https://discussions.apple.com/thread/5468056?answerId=23478188022#23478188022.

Oct 24, 2013 8:51 AM in response to JinBerlin

to 'retrieve' Pages'09, goto applications (on Desktop or macbook). then goto applications & open iwork'09.

There you should find Page'09. The 'upgrade' to Pages5.0 did not disappear Iwork'09 on my macbook.

To be cautious, I transferred Pages5.0 into a non-applications folder to save it but render it inoperable.

Pages '09 should then become your default.

this method was covered in the disussion somewhere in the middle before the issue became a polemic

Oct 24, 2013 8:57 AM in response to Robson

Also, I may have missed it but I didn't see the changes in the style behavior that I mentioned (i.e. styles no longer include bullets).

PeterBreis0807 Author

Level 8

41,196 points

Oct 24, 2013 9:08 AM in response to Robson

Robson wrote:

Peter, have you updated your list to take into account replies which mentioned certain features aren't missing after all? I haven't checked the whole thing but I noticed you didn't erase "Endnotes" from the "Removed" list even though PaulBee said they're not gone: https://discussions.apple.com/thread/5468056?answerId=23478188022#23478188022.

I'm trying to keep up.

I had amended that after that post. It appears that it works but is having problems with ordering, numbering and updating. I moved it to altered, "EndNote plugin is partially broken", but if it actually half fails, difficult to know which it should be.

s_w_i_t_t_e_r_s

I saw that but am trying to get my head round the extent of the problem and have a closer look at what is happening tommorrow when I hopefully will get hands on. Till then I'll give it the benfit of the doubt.

Whilst I have editorialised in my other posts and you can see where my heart is, with this list I am treating it as I do my iWorkTipsnTricks forum. The reader is better served with facts that can speak for themselves.

Peter

Robson

Level 1

24 points

Oct 24, 2013 9:16 AM in response to PeterBreis0807

Alright, thanks.

Pages 5 features checklist