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Pages 5 features checklist

As you go through the new Pages 5 can you please add an added, missing or altered features here please.

I will start with some culled from the general discussions and if you could correct any errors add them:

Added

1. Right to Left text ie Arabic, Farsi & Hebrew. Uncertain about Pashtu

2. Single model templates. You turn off document text to get rid of the default. Not sure if this then can be mixed and matched with Word Processing templates

3. Able to share outside iCloud

Missing

1. Selecting non-contiguous text gone

2. Outline view appears gone

3. Customizable Toolbar is gone

4. Many templates appear gone

5. Captured pages gone

6. Reorganize pages by dragging gone

7. Duplicate pages gone

8. Subscript/superscript buttons gone

9. Select all instances of a Style is gone

10. Retain zoom level of document gone

11. Facing pages gone

12. Endnotes gone

13. Media Inspector can't find iPhoto library on external drive

14. Update is missing for older installations, Apple is reportedly working on a solution via a redeemable code or update on the ir Support Download site

Altered

1. Language set under Edit > Spelling and Grammar > Show Spelling and Grammar now document wide

2. Subscript/superscript text is now a convoluted route Gear > Advanced options > Baseline > Subscript/Superscript

3. Header appears to be multi-column

4. New file format (but still .pages?) not backwardly compatible

5. Page numbering method changed

6. T.O.C. appears buggy

7. Template file storage location moved - to where?

8. Imported older .pages files are not translating properly

9. Text language is detected automatically now

Letting you know I can't test or verify any of these as I haven't got Mavericks yet.

Peter

iMac, OS X Mountain Lion (10.8.4)

Posted on Oct 22, 2013 7:57 PM

1,554 replies

Oct 24, 2013 4:37 PM in response to wfpIndiana

wfpIndiana,

Do you use Swift Publisher a lot? Do you like it very much?

Oct 24, 2013 5:18 PM in response to PeterBreis0807

@wfpIndiana: I had to chuckle when you mentioned MSPublisher - thank god it's not on the Mac. I'm in a social group and once a year a committee person puts together a membership directory that comprises a number of pages of "front matter" (list of officers, committees, meeting schedules, the ever-popular 'mission statement,' current bylaws), the actual membership listing (name, address, phone, email, member since, birthday), and then a picture directory of members' face photos. For years it had been done in MSP and each year there were pages missing, mislabeled photos, names out of sequence, you name it. The source for this info was an Excel file plus photos and text. I took it over a couple of years ago, imported the Excel file into Filemaker Pro (which let me also add photos to each member's record) and did the layout in Pages. Using Pages I typed up the front matter, then exported the FMP directory listing and photo listing to PDF, combined everything in Preview, sent the whole thing to a print shop. While it wasn't perfect, at least the earlier errors hadn't crept in.

So at this point, after looking at the "mavericks" section of these boards and after reading the tales of horror about Pages, I'm going to pass on the whole upgrade experience for a year or two. Mtn. Lion and Pages 09 are working quite nicely. There aren't any "must have" new features in Mav that are compelling enough to bring me over.

@PeterBreis0807: Thank you so very much for spearheading this thread and for compiling this incredible list.

@linda2009: You can check out a trial copy of Swift here: https://www.macupdate.com/app/mac/18896/swift-publisher If you're a student or academic, you can get it for a bit above $20.

Another alternative is iStudio Publisher: https://www.macupdate.com/app/mac/30166/istudio-publisher

I haven't tried either of these but checking out the trials might help you decide.

Oct 24, 2013 5:23 PM in response to PeterBreis0807

Endnotes are there, but a pain. You create a footnote; change it to an endnote. Then everything else will be an endnote too, since you can have only one kind in a document.

PeterBreis0807 Author

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Oct 24, 2013 5:31 PM in response to trip1ex

trip1ex wrote:

It seems pretty normal for Apple to include less features when they rewrite software and, in time, add them back in. It also seems pretty normal for people to overreact.

iMovie and FCX come to mind. 🙂

It is not overreacting when the rewritten software destroys their work or makes their work untenable.

btw Apple has not entirely reinstated features and workflows in iMovie and FCX and there is a very long list of other software where they have never replaced or reinstated anything at all.

Peter

Oct 25, 2013 11:44 AM in response to PeterBreis0807

PeterBreis0807 Author

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Oct 24, 2013 6:11 PM in response to PeterBreis0807

Updated Check List

New Pages 5 added, removed or altered features:

Added

+ Right to Left text

+ Single model templates. No More Word Processing/Layout templates

+ Share outside iCloud

+ Phonetic Guide for Chinese & Japanese

+ Custom Template names can be changed inside the Template Chooser by right clicking

+ Custom Templates can be deleted inside the Template Chooser by right clicking

+ Text language is detected automatically

+ Collaboration

Removed

Select non-contiguous text

Outline view

Customizable Toolbar

135 templates

Capture pages/sections

Drag reorganize pages

Duplicate pages

Delete page

Manage Pages

Subscript/superscript buttons

Select all instances of a Style

Retain zoom level of document

Facing pages

Layout Breaks

Layout Margins

Media Inspector links to iPhoto library on external drive

Media Inspector links to Aperture Library

Alignment Guides

Styles Drawer

Merge Fields

Drag and Drop VCards

Default Start Up page

Vertical Ruler

Style Function key shortcuts

Bookmarks

Hyperlinks to external documents

Images within Tables

Mathtype/Grapher Equations/Formulae within Pages

Import Styles

Clean Import of older .pages formatting

User Guide

Search Sidebar

Open Type features

Textbox linking

Background Object selectable

Storyboards

Text to Tables

Tables to Text

Tables in Headers/Footers

Word export to iCloud

Export to .rtf

Import from .rtf

Multiple Comments view

T.O.C. clean numbering

Character Styles ?

List Styles ?

Selective formating in Character Styles

Insert File Name

Search in Media Browser

Bullet points in comments

Search comments

Two up view

Paste and keep style

Accented characters in Footer

Mail Merge

Custom Auto-correct

Mask with shapes other than rectangle

Find & Replace special characters eg paragraph returns

Auto-Dates on opening document

Speech to Text

Format Bar

Altered

↪ Pages '09 files previewed on iPad via iCloud are irrevocably converted

↪ Update is missing for older installations, Apple is reportedly working on a solution via a redeemable code or update on their Support Download site

↪ Wrap methods have been cut back severely

↪ Documents reconverted back to Pages '09 lose all template information

↪ Language set under Edit > Spelling and Grammar > Show Spelling and Grammar now document wide

↪ Subscript/superscript text is now a convoluted route Gear > Advanced options > Baseline > Subscript/Superscript

↪ Header appears to be multi-column

↪ New file format (but still .pages?) not backwardly compatible

↪ Page numbering method changed

↪ Custom Templates are now stored in ~/Library/Containers/com.apple.iWork.pages (a package)

↪ AppleScript Library for Pages 5 has changed with many classes and commands removed which indicates how the feature lists have been slashed

↪ Character Styles are in the Text Inspector under Bold, Italic etc

↪ Tabbing within Table cells appears to be inconsistent, tabbing internally with numbers.

↪ Drag and Drop text only works with .txt files now

↪ EndNote plugin is partially broken

↪ List options are now in a pop-down menu in the contextual Inspector

Tom Gewecke

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Oct 24, 2013 6:15 PM in response to PeterBreis0807

PeterBreis0807 wrote:

Mathtype/Grapher Equations/Formulae within Pages

Not correct for MathType. It still works, but only outside tables.

https://discussions.apple.com/thread/5476171?tstart=0

PeterBreis0807 Author

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Oct 24, 2013 6:19 PM in response to PeterBreis0807

If you are looking for alternative software to Pages:

http://www.freeforum101.com/iworktipsntrick/viewforum.php?f=7&mforum=iworktipsnt rick

Peter

PeterBreis0807 Author

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Oct 24, 2013 6:25 PM in response to Tom Gewecke

Tom

I explained in another Forum post, the issue is that you can no longer insert images in Tables, and I suspect other Objects, and MathType's formulae are .pdfs.

Effectively that is a "Removed".

This is a list and I don't want to parenthesise points if I can avoid it.

However to clarify this is an amendment:

Mathtype Equations/Formulae within Tables (and other Objects?)

Grapher Equations/Formulae within Tables (and other Objects?)

Peter

Oct 24, 2013 6:24 PM in response to PeterBreis0807

Hello Microsoft Office. Apple just did them a favor. Microsoft will sell a boatload of Office!

Tom Gewecke

Level 10

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Oct 24, 2013 6:25 PM in response to PeterBreis0807

PeterBreis0807 wrote:

Effectively that is a "Removed".

Fine, it's your list. But there is a menu item called Insert MathType Equation, and I think ignoring that detracts from your credibilty.

PeterBreis0807 Author

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Oct 24, 2013 6:26 PM in response to Tom Gewecke

See my amended post Tom. I was working on it as you replied.

Peter

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Oct 24, 2013 6:31 PM in response to PeterBreis0807

I can't edit the previous post so here it is adjusted.

Updated Check List

New Pages 5 added, removed or altered features:

Added

+ Right to Left text

+ Single model templates. No More Word Processing/Layout templates

+ Share outside iCloud

+ Phonetic Guide for Chinese & Japanese

+ Custom Template names can be changed inside the Template Chooser by right clicking

+ Custom Templates can be deleted inside the Template Chooser by right clicking

+ Text language is detected automatically

+ Collaboration

Removed

Select non-contiguous text

Outline view

Customizable Toolbar

135 templates

Capture pages/sections

Drag reorganize pages

Duplicate pages

Delete page

Manage Pages

Subscript/superscript buttons

Select all instances of a Style

Retain zoom level of document

Facing pages

Layout Breaks

Layout Margins

Media Inspector links to iPhoto library on external drive

Media Inspector links to Aperture Library

Alignment Guides

Styles Drawer

Merge Fields

Drag and Drop VCards

Default Start Up page

Vertical Ruler

Style Function key shortcuts

Bookmarks

Hyperlinks to external documents

Images within Tables

Mathtype Equations/Formulae within Tables (and other Objects?)

Grapher Equations/Formulae within Tables (and other Objects?)

Import Styles

Clean Import of older .pages formatting

User Guide

Search Sidebar

Open Type features

Textbox linking

Background Object selectable

Storyboards

Text to Tables

Tables to Text

Tables in Headers/Footers

Word export to iCloud

Export to .rtf

Import from .rtf

Multiple Comments view

T.O.C. clean numbering

Character Styles ?

List Styles ?

Selective formating in Character Styles

Insert File Name

Search in Media Browser

Bullet points in comments

Search comments

Two up view

Paste and keep style

Accented characters in Footer

Mail Merge

Custom Auto-correct

Mask with shapes other than rectangle

Find & Replace special characters eg paragraph returns

Auto-Dates on opening document

Speech to Text

Format Bar

Altered

↪ Pages '09 files previewed on iPad via iCloud are irrevocably converted

↪ Update is missing for older installations, Apple is reportedly working on a solution via a redeemable code or update on their Support Download site

↪ Wrap methods have been cut back severely

↪ Documents reconverted back to Pages '09 lose all template information

↪ Language set under Edit > Spelling and Grammar > Show Spelling and Grammar now document wide

↪ Subscript/superscript text is now a convoluted route Gear > Advanced options > Baseline > Subscript/Superscript

↪ Header appears to be multi-column

↪ New file format (but still .pages?) not backwardly compatible

↪ Page numbering method changed

↪ Custom Templates are now stored in ~/Library/Containers/com.apple.iWork.pages (a package)

↪ AppleScript Library for Pages 5 has changed with many classes and commands removed which indicates how the feature lists have been slashed

↪ Character Styles are in the Text Inspector under Bold, Italic etc

↪ Tabbing within Table cells appears to be inconsistent, tabbing internally with numbers.

↪ Drag and Drop text only works with .txt files now

↪ EndNote plugin is partially broken

↪ List options are now in a pop-down menu in the contextual Inspector

Oct 24, 2013 6:35 PM in response to PeterBreis0807

Very helpful, Peter. I'm glad you're doing it. The "altered" section is particularly helpful to me.

Those considering an alternative might want to look into Nisus Writer (two versions). It doesn't have everything that was dropped (no outlining), but it does have really wonderful search and replace and is even programmable for fancy manipulations. If you go to the company site you can get a demo.

PeterBreis0807 Author

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Oct 24, 2013 6:46 PM in response to PeterBreis0807

Another two till I redo the lot again:

Removed

Open Pages '08 documents

Headers in Tables

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