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Pages 5 features checklist

As you go through the new Pages 5 can you please add an added, missing or altered features here please.


I will start with some culled from the general discussions and if you could correct any errors add them:


Added


1. Right to Left text ie Arabic, Farsi & Hebrew. Uncertain about Pashtu


2. Single model templates. You turn off document text to get rid of the default. Not sure if this then can be mixed and matched with Word Processing templates


3. Able to share outside iCloud


Missing


1. Selecting non-contiguous text gone


2. Outline view appears gone


3. Customizable Toolbar is gone


4. Many templates appear gone


5. Captured pages gone


6. Reorganize pages by dragging gone


7. Duplicate pages gone


8. Subscript/superscript buttons gone


9. Select all instances of a Style is gone


10. Retain zoom level of document gone


11. Facing pages gone


12. Endnotes gone


13. Media Inspector can't find iPhoto library on external drive


14. Update is missing for older installations, Apple is reportedly working on a solution via a redeemable code or update on the ir Support Download site


Altered


1. Language set under Edit > Spelling and Grammar > Show Spelling and Grammar now document wide


2. Subscript/superscript text is now a convoluted route Gear > Advanced options > Baseline > Subscript/Superscript


3. Header appears to be multi-column


4. New file format (but still .pages?) not backwardly compatible


5. Page numbering method changed


6. T.O.C. appears buggy


7. Template file storage location moved - to where?


8. Imported older .pages files are not translating properly


9. Text language is detected automatically now


Letting you know I can't test or verify any of these as I haven't got Mavericks yet.


Peter

iMac, OS X Mountain Lion (10.8.4)

Posted on Oct 22, 2013 7:57 PM

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Oct 26, 2013 9:02 PM in response to PeterBreis0807

I hope I don't get censored again.


Let's back away from this for a moment. This was clearly intentional. It feels like book formatting is going the way of the 31/2 inch floppy and the DVD drive. This may sound stupid, but do they think they are in the vanguard in the digital media future and in their eyes formatting only makes sense in a printed media world? I've tried transferring my books to ePub, but there are several things that don't transfer. Like an index - why have an index when you can search. Or, footnotes, which have to take on a different life to work but make no sense at the bottome of the page because in ePub there is no bottom of the page. Yet, no ePub program allows pictures with captions except iBooks Author - it was clearly important to them when they made that. Have they just made an ad hoc decision that the printed media is more-or-less obsolete and they think they are claiming the digital media future by ripping out all the features that a printed media might need? It feels like they've decided on a digital media protocol and it's locked in stone.


It doesn't make sense, but I don't think the formatting is coming back any sooner than the 3 1/2 floppy. If so, they've miscalculated - the printed word has lasted thousands of years. How long is your Hard Drive going to last?

Oct 26, 2013 9:06 PM in response to mythmatic

mythmatic wrote:


I think a lot of the FUD being generated in this thread is inaccurate and unproductive. The reason why the new Pages for OSX is so stripped of features is because it is a new 1.0 product, with a misleading name. Not because it is or was meant to be a port from iOS, or feature equivalent. I have no doubt that as future updates are released, the desktop version will pick up many of its lost features, plus many more, and the discrepancy between the OSX and iOS versions will grow greater, as each version becomes more tailored for its own platform.


My last comment is that as a software developer myself, I understand and relate to what a complete rewrite of a software product means. It is literally impossible, not to mention impractical, to take 10 years of incremental features, and include all of them in a rewritten piece of new software out of the gate. When you rewrite software, you develop it until it has enough features to be meaningful and useful, and you release it. Then you add on the most important and best additional features going forward from there.


I do believe that Pages 5.0 / 1.0 in its current state is meaningful and useful. It is slick, streamlined, and the collaboration and cross-platform compatibility is awesome. It is NOT, however, a replacement or equivalent piece of software to Pages '09.


So despite Apple bungling the release, misnaming the new iWork apps, and making a bad decision on how to handle legacy documents, I think it is wrong and unreasonable to call the new apps "bad", "iOS ports", "intentionally watered-down", "a complete disaster" or anything else like that. As long as we recognize, as Apple should have, that Pages 5.0 is really "New Pages" 1.0, which is a separate product entirely from Pages '09 and will now be developed over time into its own mature platform, I think everyone will be much happier.


It IS possible to still love and use Pages '09 as we always have, and also at the same time love, use, and be excited for the future possibilities of this new Pages 1.0.


I would have to agree with everything you've stated mythmatic. As a fellow software developer, I completely understand the situation. In fact, we are rewriting our web application that was released 13 years ago. There's no way we could develop all 13 years worth of features in our rewrite - features will be left out and brought back in the future. Unless we wanted to delay the application a few years. But we feel the new features and improved interface makes the update well worth the loss of some features - it's even mobile optimized! We will rely on the feedback from users to prioritize which features we focus on developing after the initial launch. Like Apple, we are launching our new website alongside the current one - not replacing it. This is very common in software development.


Regarding the list of changes, it looks like no further changes to the list have occurred for a while? I love how the list is created in a way that defocuses the improvements and emphasizes removed features. 😐 Biased I suppose, and that's the purpose of this thread anyways. I appreciated the list and was able to file several enhancement requests and one bug report (so far). But I don't care to flame and rant here about it, that won't do any good. Send the feedback to Apple folks.

Oct 26, 2013 9:07 PM in response to Plant-Daddy

Updated Check List


New Pages 5 added, removed or altered features:


Added


+ Right to Left text


+ Single model templates. No More Word Processing/Layout templates


+ Share outside iCloud


+ Phonetic Guide for Chinese & Japanese


+ Custom Template names can be changed inside the Template Chooser by right clicking


+ Custom Templates can be deleted inside the Template Chooser by right clicking


+ Text language is detected automatically


+ Collaboration


+ Unite overlapping Textboxes


+ Extra Shadow effects


+ Double click to mask image


+ Instant Alpha target zoom


Removed


Select non-contiguous text


Outline view


Customizable Toolbar


135 templates


Capture pages/sections


Drag reorganize pages


Duplicate pages


Delete page


Manage Pages


Subscript/superscript buttons


Select all instances of a Style


Retain zoom level of document


Facing pages


Layout Margins


Media Inspector links to iPhoto library on external drive


Media Inspector links to Aperture Library


Alignment Guides


Styles Drawer


Merge Fields


Drag and Drop VCards


Default Start Up page


Vertical Ruler


Style Function key shortcuts


Bookmarks


Hyperlinks to external documents


Images within Tables


Mathtype Equations/Formulae within Tables (and other Objects?)


Grapher Equations/Formulae within Tables (and other Objects?)


Import Styles


Clean Import of older .pages formatting


User Guide


Search Sidebar


Open Type features


Textbox linking


Background Object selectable


Storyboards


Text to Tables


Tables to Text


Tables in Headers/Footers


Word export to iCloud


Export to .rtf


Import from .rtf


Multiple Comments view


T.O.C. clean numbering


Character Styles ?


List Styles ?


Selective formating in Character Styles


Insert File Name


Search in Media Browser


Bullet points in comments


Search comments


Two up view


Paste and keep style


Accented characters in Footer


Custom Auto-correct


Mask with shapes other than rectangle


Find & Replace special characters eg paragraph returns


Auto-Dates on opening document


Speech to Text


Format Bar


Open Pages '08 documents


Headers in Tables


Sync with iOS6


Auto capitalise sentence start


Open .doc files


Roman Numeral Page Numbers


Character count including spaces


Import linked Numbers Charts


Styles including bulletted lists


Recent fonts at top of Font List


Page of Page Count at foot of Window


Full Screen background color


Font name matching between OSX and iOS


Copy/Paste from Pages '09 to Pages 5


Certain Fonts eg WingDings


Saving onto Windows server


Status bar


Drag out inserted image to Finder.


Uninstall permanently


Altered


↪ Pages '09 files saved from Pages 5 in Maverick are not protected by a simple name change eg (converted appended)


↪ Pages '09 files previewed on iPad via iCloud are irrevocably converted


↪ Update is missing for older installations, Apple is reportedly working on a solution via a redeemable code or update on their Support Download site


↪ Wrap methods have been cut back severely


↪ Documents reconverted back to Pages '09 lose all template information


↪ Language set under Edit > Spelling and Grammar > Show Spelling and Grammar now document wide


↪ Subscript/superscript text is now a convoluted route Gear > Advanced options > Baseline > Subscript/Superscript


↪ Headers and Footers appear to be multi-column


↪ Text is not wrapping in Footers


↪ New file format (but still .pages?) not backwardly compatible


↪ Page numbering method changed


↪ Custom Templates are now stored in ~/Library/Containers/com.apple.iWork.pages (a package)


↪ AppleScript Library for Pages 5 has changed with many classes and commands removed which indicates how the feature lists have been slashed


↪ Character Styles are in the Text Inspector under Bold, Italic etc


↪ Tabbing within Table cells appears to be inconsistent, tabbing internally with numbers.


↪ Drag and Drop text only works with .txt files now


↪ EndNote plugin is partially broken unable to cite in footnotes and problems with in-text numbering


↪ List options are now in a pop-down menu in the contextual Inspector


↪ .doc no longer supported, only .docx


↪ Text highlighting is now under Format > gear icon > Advanced Options > Character Fill Color > Color


↪ Mail Merge has changed. Some people are reporting links not working despite Merge is still in the Insert Menu


↪ Merging Table cells is now: select the cell/s > Format > Table > Merge


↪ Unmerge cells only undoes the above


↪ Table Borders is now: select the cell/s > Format > Table > Cell > click on triangle > choose


↪ Quicklook preview of Pages '09 files in Maverick is reportedly buggy


↪ Layout Breaks work differently. You select the paragraphs you want as an exception and then change the column numbers. Currently can't find how to set before and after spacing or margin inset btw This is a totally undocumented and hidden procedure.


There will be more when I get Maverick installed on a new external clean Hard Drive that won't screw up my own work.


Peter

Oct 26, 2013 9:16 PM in response to PeterBreis0807

Paste and keep style is not removed. "Paste" keeps the style, while "Paste and Match Style" does not - it matches the style of the document. The keyboard shortcut is consistent across OS X.


Alignment guides are not removed. Enable them in Preferences.


I already proved you can have accented characters in the footer.... provided a screenshot.


Text to speech works just fine from the menu bar. The bug is that if you enabled the keyboard shortcut to initiate it, it doesn't work in Pages. But it definitely wasn't removed.

Oct 26, 2013 9:22 PM in response to PeterBreis0807

This seriously ****** me off! I feel like I'm paying the same price for a Lite version. Its altered all my work I have done before, and some of those features they have removed are vital for what I do. How can we get Apple to re-add these features? I dont want to move back to an older version or, Godforbid, Microsoft Office, but I am going to have to if they don't fix this soon!

Oct 26, 2013 9:34 PM in response to Plant-Daddy

Joey!! 【ツ】 wrote:


Regarding the list of changes, it looks like no further changes to the list have occurred for a while? I love how the list is created in a way that defocuses the improvements and emphasizes removed features. 😐 Biased I suppose, and that's the purpose of this thread anyways. I appreciated the list and was able to file several enhancement requests and one bug report (so far). But I don't care to flame and rant here about it, that won't do any good. Send the feedback to Apple folks.


As I have said elsewhere Joey, whilst I am happy to editorialise elsewhere, I have been very conservative and worked hard at making the list as accurate a summary of what Users have reported as possible.


I could not be more happy if there were more Added features. Do you know of any?


I will add them immediately, the Added list sure looks aenemic even though I split the Template Chooser editability over 2 items.


Some people have cited errors, usually because they only read the first version which came out almost immediately after Pages 5 was available. Mostly those errors were already fixed in subsequent versions, if not I immediately corrected my Master List on my desktop awaiting the next post. I can't put it up every single change and Apple doesn't permit a standing editable post here.


I am also conservative in removing items just on the say so of someone who may be misreporting what is actually happening. In some cases their report is not all it seems and is the step before the misstep.


I have become very conscious that many Users are like the 3 blind men examining an elephant and describing the trunk, legs and tail as three separate and different beasts. I also notice how unobservant Users are, that they miss features which are just in a slightly different but organisationally similar location. That is why I quiz them (they are not just in this part of the forum or even Apple's website) before adding the reported Added, Removed or Altered features.


I am not a programmer but I have managed media and other Informational projects and know how I systematically approach complex details. What I am doing here should have been done by Apple's engineers. Perhaps it has and I am only chasing their tails. The results clearly show however that this project is half baked, pre-release and not peer reviewed by Users.


Typically Apple lately in fact.


The one major omission, the ELEPHANT in the room (again) is the failure to protect Users work by saving it by default with a concatenated "converted" in the name. That is totally and utterly reprehensible.


Peter

Oct 26, 2013 9:53 PM in response to PeterBreis0807

PeterBreis0807 wrote:

I could not be more happy if there were more Added features. Do you know of any?


I will add them immediately, the Added list sure looks aenemic even though I split the Template Chooser editability over 2 items.


Well, you put a note of the file format in the changed list. I suppose that's appropriate, but it's also the biggest addition to the new Pages. "A new, unified file format, delivering perfect document fidelity across Mac, iOS and iCloud" (Apple's wording). You could also state it's a brand new design, it reveals only the options that are relevant to your current context, the new Full Screen view doesn't hide any tools - looks the same as in windowed mode which I'm sure many will appreciate (although I want to be able to switch between that mode and the previous simplistic full screen mode), oh and it's 64-bit (better performance). Probably also should put on the very first line under Added that it's a completely rewritten app. A lot of folks think it's not, due to the lack of Apple stating that in the changelog. Next to collaboration, you could mention anyone can edit even if they don't have an iCloud account. Full Mavericks compatibility. Plus I'm sure they tied in bug fixes from the previous version. For example, I discovered Pages '09 would increase the file size of my documents significantly when editing on OS X and iOS. A simple text file approached 2 MB when it should be mere KBs. I'm sure that issue's reolved due to the new file format.


To be nitpicky, "Quicklook preview of Pages '09 files in Maverick is reportedly buggy" isn't an alteration of Pages 5.0. That would be a Mavericks bug (that I have not seen personally).

Oct 26, 2013 9:57 PM in response to PeterBreis0807

The export to epub in Pages 5.0 produces a different outcome than in Pages 4.3.


In a document where I had the first page consist of a background image and two textboxes over it (title & author), exporting with the "use first page as cover" from Pages 4.3 used the first page as it appears, the contents of the epub starting with the 2nd page. Opening the same document in Pages 5.0 and exporting with the same setting, produced an epub with the image as the cover, but the two textboxes were moved to p.2 of the document, now p.1 of the epub.


In addition, image placements that are not supported by epub landed differently when exporting from Pages 4.3 vs. from Pages 5.0: in the latter case, most images ended up "behind" the text, which is now not flowing around the images.


At least, Pages 5.0 doesn't seem to lose anything in epub export that Pages 4.3 wasn't also losing (such as footnotes, although not the footnote markers).

Oct 26, 2013 10:10 PM in response to Plant-Daddy

Joey!! 【ツ】 wrote:

I discovered Pages '09 would increase the file size of my documents significantly when editing on OS X and iOS. A simple text file approached 2 MB when it should be mere KBs. I'm sure that issue's reolved due to the new file format.


"Trust but verify." …Actually, I no longer even trust Apple; "once bitten twice shy." (I was able to recover sufficiently recent versions of documents that got ruined in the upgrade, but that time is gone forever.)


So, whilst your claim (that the unified file format indeed does prevent the cross-platform-edit bloat) does indeed make sense, it remains to be verified. Could you, please, verify what you claim?

Oct 26, 2013 10:19 PM in response to Plant-Daddy

Joey!! 【ツ】 wrote:


Like Apple, we are launching our new website alongside the current one - not replacing it. This is very common in software development.


I hope that—unlike Apple—you shall warn your users/customers if using your new product will destroy features implemented by your older product. Better yet, that you shall employ a non-destructive mode of operations of the new software, such that it creates a "separate and updated" copy of the files upon which it acts. Had Apple done THAT, this thread would have had a very different tone.

Oct 26, 2013 10:32 PM in response to Plant-Daddy

Joey!! 【ツ】 wrote:


Well, you put a note of the file format in the changed list. I suppose that's appropriate, but it's also the biggest addition to the new Pages. "A new, unified file format, delivering perfect document fidelity across Mac, iOS and iCloud" (Apple's wording).

Exactly! Apple's wording. Considering everything else they said I'll believe that if and only if I have fully checked and confirmed it. As the 3 versions of Pages 5 OSX, Pages iCloud and Pages iOS do not have matching interfaces and features I really question that work created on one "delivers perfect document fidelity" across all three.

One for sure addition is the hugely significant undeclared document infidelity.

The corruption of work dating back 4 years.

You could also state it's a brand new design,

Being new is only a feature if it happens to be my pants, is drip dry in half the time, and has more pockets, that zip up and are better organised.

It reveals

You mean hides in most cases

only the options that are relevant to your current context,

Which is bad UI. You have to line up all the ducks in a row before you even know they are in the pond.

the new Full Screen view doesn't hide any tools - looks the same as in windowed mode which I'm sure many will appreciate (although I want to be able to switch between that mode and the previous simplistic full screen mode),

Subject to checking.

oh and it's 64-bit (better performance).

Again subject to checking. Apple's hype has long lost any creditability.

Probably also should put on the very first line under Added that it's a completely rewritten app.

Doh! …don't forget the New Icon too!!

A lot of folks think it's not, due to the lack of Apple stating that in the changelog. Next to collaboration, you could mention anyone can edit even if they don't have an iCloud account.


See + Collaboration


Full Mavericks compatibility.


Balanced by unusable anywhere else*.


Plus I'm sure they tied in bug fixes from the previous version.


Are you sure you are sure? How sure are you sure? How are you sure?


For example, I discovered Pages '09 would increase the file size of my documents significantly when editing on OS X and iOS. A simple text file approached 2 MB when it should be mere KBs. I'm sure that issue's reolved due to the new file format.


No resolved by Capture pages/sections the feature that made it larger.


To be nitpicky, "Quicklook preview of Pages '09 files in Maverick is reportedly buggy" isn't an alteration of Pages 5.0. That would be a Mavericks bug (that I have not seen personally).


Hence "reportedly".


* Thanks for raising a good point here. Unintentionally. Both my wife and sons' Macs can't be upgraded to Mavericks thanks to Apple's planned rapid obsolescence. What do they do "collaboratively"? Anything they create will be shredded by Pages 5 users and anything the Pages 5 users create will be unopenable by my wife and sons.


Should I put this down to "Enhanced security and confidentiality"?


Sorry the advertising man coming out in me.😉 We learnt to hone in on the critical failure and remarket it as a Feature.


Peter

Pages 5 features checklist

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