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PeterBreis0807 Author

Level 8

41,196 points

Pages 5 features checklist

As you go through the new Pages 5 can you please add an added, missing or altered features here please.

I will start with some culled from the general discussions and if you could correct any errors add them:

Added

1. Right to Left text ie Arabic, Farsi & Hebrew. Uncertain about Pashtu

2. Single model templates. You turn off document text to get rid of the default. Not sure if this then can be mixed and matched with Word Processing templates

3. Able to share outside iCloud

Missing

1. Selecting non-contiguous text gone

2. Outline view appears gone

3. Customizable Toolbar is gone

4. Many templates appear gone

5. Captured pages gone

6. Reorganize pages by dragging gone

7. Duplicate pages gone

8. Subscript/superscript buttons gone

9. Select all instances of a Style is gone

10. Retain zoom level of document gone

11. Facing pages gone

12. Endnotes gone

13. Media Inspector can't find iPhoto library on external drive

14. Update is missing for older installations, Apple is reportedly working on a solution via a redeemable code or update on the ir Support Download site

Altered

1. Language set under Edit > Spelling and Grammar > Show Spelling and Grammar now document wide

2. Subscript/superscript text is now a convoluted route Gear > Advanced options > Baseline > Subscript/Superscript

3. Header appears to be multi-column

4. New file format (but still .pages?) not backwardly compatible

5. Page numbering method changed

6. T.O.C. appears buggy

7. Template file storage location moved - to where?

8. Imported older .pages files are not translating properly

9. Text language is detected automatically now

Letting you know I can't test or verify any of these as I haven't got Mavericks yet.

Peter

iMac, OS X Mountain Lion (10.8.4)

Posted on Oct 22, 2013 7:57 PM

1,554 replies

robogobo

Level 2

354 points

Nov 7, 2013 9:55 AM in response to PeterBreis0807

Community etiquette

Apple Support Communities exists to enable community members to help each other get the most out of their Apple products and services. To keep this community useful to everyone, follow these guidelines:

Post only technical support questions and answers, unless otherwise noted.
Be polite, constructive and stay on topic.
Search for questions similar to your own before submitting a new question to the community.
Reward helpful community members by marking answers to your questions as helpful and correct.
Avoid speculation and rumors.

enteecee

Level 2

331 points

Nov 7, 2013 9:55 AM in response to Kenneth Collins1

Kenneth Collins1 wrote:

...

That notice means that Pages 4.3 will be around until Pages 1 contains at least the same functionality.

Agree with everything you said but that. That's in NO way guaranteed.

robogobo

Level 2

354 points

Nov 7, 2013 9:56 AM in response to PeterBreis0807

HA! you obviously don't know Adobe.

PeterBreis0807 wrote:

Where do they strip off features Hirschkorn?

They usually just add more. Piling it on.

One thing they don't do is leave customers with damaged work and the prospect of having to switch to their competitors merely to survive.

Peter

PeterBreis0807 Author

Level 8

41,196 points

Nov 7, 2013 10:36 AM in response to robogobo

I have been an Adobe customer since Illustrator, Pagemaker and Photoshop had no version numbers.

Adobe is no angel but in all the decades I have used their products they never, ever left me with files I couldn't open in later versions or would become too damaged to use.

You can add that to your portfolio of Don't Knows which has grown 10000% since you burst on the scene here.

Peter

PeterBreis0807 Author

Level 8

41,196 points

Nov 7, 2013 10:18 AM in response to robogobo

robogobo wrote:

Community etiquette

Apple Support Communities exists to enable community members to help each other get the most out of their Apple products and services. To keep this community useful to everyone, follow these guidelines:

Post only technical support questions and answers, unless otherwise noted.

Be polite, constructive and stay on topic.

Search for questions similar to your own before submitting a new question to the community.

Reward helpful community members by marking answers to your questions as helpful and correct.

Avoid speculation and rumors.

Since you like to duplicate your posts:

robogobo

Please show us where you have helped any community member.

You seem to be spending 10000% of your time making things up and putting one gloss or another on the Pages debacle.

Sadly the Pages 5 "upgrade" hasn't just disrupted all the users' work, it has taken us away from helping the long term users, who have had their problems buried under the avalanche of problems created by Pages 5.

Problems that weren't problems until Apple made them problems.

Peter

Nov 7, 2013 10:22 AM in response to robogobo

I'd be happy to avoid any and all speculations & rumors once Apple officially announces if they will add all the stripped functionality back in a future Pages 5.x update or not.

robogobo

Level 2

354 points

Nov 7, 2013 10:41 AM in response to PeterBreis0807

Well that's ignorant. I have points to show that I help, and plenty of people have shared my sentiments on this and the other thread. And talk about making things up, your 10000% speculation as to the doom of Apple and Pages is certainly helping nobody.

But that's not to dilute the point that you're being rude and impolite, and seem to only want to promote your agenda, twist people's words and paint Apple as the evil one who tries to destroy your work. They write software, which is never perfect. They're working on improvements, despite your assurance they'll never do so. You just want to spread FUD and ignore the benefits of the upgrade, which many are applauding. You're encouraging others to be equally rude and obnoxious rather than follow etiquette.

It's embarrassing.

PeterBreis0807 wrote:

Please show us where you have helped any community member.

You seem to be spending 10000% of your time making things up and putting one gloss or another on the Pages debacle.

Sadly the Pages 5 "upgrade" hasn't just disrupted all the users' work, it has taken us away from helping the long term users, who have had their problems buried under the avalanche of problems created by Pages 5.

Problems that weren't problems until Apple made them problems.

Peter

PeterBreis0807 Author

Level 8

41,196 points

Nov 7, 2013 12:55 PM in response to robogobo

robogobo

Plenty? Really?

You are just about alone in not seeing Pages 5 as a major step backwards. There are some giving Apple the benefit of the doubt and hoping against hope that it will undo what it has done, but that's about the extent of it.

I tracked down the majority of the additions on the Pages 5 list and I have corrected a lot of the incorrect "ommisions" in this forum, for no other reason than accuracy.

I am perfectly capable of dividing the two things of gathering the facts, and coming to conclusions from those facts. Including that Apple isn't evil but it acts in its own interest, which isn't the same as its users.

The trouble is what is good for Apple isn't good for everyone else.

Peter

Nov 7, 2013 12:37 PM in response to PeterBreis0807

What makes this whole thing even worse is the complete silence on Apple's part.

If they would just come out and tell everyone that their intentions are to either:

add features back in forthcoming updates
release a 'PRO' version
continue catering to a 'dumbed-down' market

I think most people would make their decision to either stay with this current version of Pages and patiently wait as new features are added back in or to leave now in search of a replacement.

Personally, I have several thousand documents that I have created over the years that when opened in Pages 5 are unusable as is and require me to do a lot of manual re-formatting.

I am so, so disappointed in this update. I've been a Pages user since it was first released and have eagerly awaited an update to Pages '09 for several years. I can hardly believe that a company would do this sort of thing and then say absolutely nothing about it ... its just disgusting.

Gary

robogobo

Level 2

354 points

Nov 7, 2013 12:55 PM in response to PeterBreis0807

I never said it wasn't a step backwards. In fact, one of the first things I said was "it's a step backwards in order to take two steps forward". And I'm not at all alone in this.

You like to paint me as an Apple apologist. But I'm nothing of the kind. I never said they could do no wrong, and the whole time I've only been objecting to your rude methods and encouragement to other people to act rude. Apple does plenty wrong. They admit to it. They fix it. But they don't rush to cater to panicky rude comments. THAT'S MY POINT. They do respond to valid criticism, sent politely through the proper channels. You and some others seem to think otherwise, that some kind of aggressive threatening squeeze is the only way get them to listen. I feel sorry for you, really, if that's how you see human interaction. It's sad. And your continued condescention and insults are really horrible. I'm acting much more grown up than you, and absolutely thinking for myself.

Please, stop being rude.

PeterBreis0807 Author

Level 8

41,196 points

Nov 7, 2013 1:08 PM in response to robogobo

I'm curious robogobo

What value do you put on the work that users have done in iWork?

Work which they were encouraged to do by Apple.

Peter

Nov 7, 2013 1:08 PM in response to robogobo

Actually, Apple hasn't admitted to anything as of yet. That is part of the problem, they havn't said squat.

We waited 4 years for an update to Pages '09 so we would all likely wait a while longer for a proper and useful update to Pages 5 IF we KNEW that it was coming.