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PeterBreis0807 Author

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Pages 5 features checklist

As you go through the new Pages 5 can you please add an added, missing or altered features here please.

I will start with some culled from the general discussions and if you could correct any errors add them:

Added

1. Right to Left text ie Arabic, Farsi & Hebrew. Uncertain about Pashtu

2. Single model templates. You turn off document text to get rid of the default. Not sure if this then can be mixed and matched with Word Processing templates

3. Able to share outside iCloud

Missing

1. Selecting non-contiguous text gone

2. Outline view appears gone

3. Customizable Toolbar is gone

4. Many templates appear gone

5. Captured pages gone

6. Reorganize pages by dragging gone

7. Duplicate pages gone

8. Subscript/superscript buttons gone

9. Select all instances of a Style is gone

10. Retain zoom level of document gone

11. Facing pages gone

12. Endnotes gone

13. Media Inspector can't find iPhoto library on external drive

14. Update is missing for older installations, Apple is reportedly working on a solution via a redeemable code or update on the ir Support Download site

Altered

1. Language set under Edit > Spelling and Grammar > Show Spelling and Grammar now document wide

2. Subscript/superscript text is now a convoluted route Gear > Advanced options > Baseline > Subscript/Superscript

3. Header appears to be multi-column

4. New file format (but still .pages?) not backwardly compatible

5. Page numbering method changed

6. T.O.C. appears buggy

7. Template file storage location moved - to where?

8. Imported older .pages files are not translating properly

9. Text language is detected automatically now

Letting you know I can't test or verify any of these as I haven't got Mavericks yet.

Peter

iMac, OS X Mountain Lion (10.8.4)

Posted on Oct 22, 2013 7:57 PM

1,554 replies

Nov 14, 2013 1:22 PM in response to Y Bont Faen

Happy for you !

But never forget Backup should be the first word to learn when you start using computers ...

Jean.

PeterBreis0807 Author

Level 8

41,196 points

Nov 14, 2013 1:32 PM in response to montcley.jean

montcley.jean wrote:

If only Apple could listen to this question,

and answer to it in a positive way, that woul help

to restaure confidence with many of us, users,

Here is the Official Announcement from Apple:

Whoah! We're Going To iBeta

Whoah! Back To The iOS

Whoah! We're Gonna Have A Party

Whoah! In The Mavericks Sea

iOS iOS, i Oh Es!

🙂

Nov 14, 2013 1:58 PM in response to PeterBreis0807

Hi Peter !

Sorry, my English is far from being perfect ...

... And I may not understand all the subtility of your humour even if I do appreciate it.

Do you mean my post was kind of "naive" and Apple will never really clarify its position ?

Jean.

PeterBreis0807 Author

Level 8

41,196 points

Nov 14, 2013 2:07 PM in response to montcley.jean

Yes.

…and never reinstate all the features.

This is not a matter of opinion. This is Apple history since it started in 1976.

Apple does not discuss its intentions, otherwise Apple customers would avoid the problems Apple creates.

Peter

Nov 14, 2013 2:37 PM in response to PeterBreis0807

Thanks for your clear answer Peter.

My technical "backup" has been to revert my old 2008 Imac to Mountain Lion after a too confident upgrade

to Mavericks, and it will probably remain like this for the end of its life so I am sure to be able using Iworks 09

safely as long as I don't make any other decision.

I have been happily using Pages and Numbers untill now for personal and also sports association management.

Just two simple examples :

1) I don't wish having to deal with such bug as unpredictible results when sorting a bank account

spread sheet on a simple date column as I experienced the first time I used the new Numbers a few days ago.

2) With no more merge fields and by the way no more mail merge possibility,

I don't plan to type a hundred different names and adresses both on letters

and envelopes while they are already in my Apple adress book.

My (again) naive questioning is why a new spaceship building hosting some 30 000 people

in Cupertino to make such kind of "upgrades" ...

But I think I already know the answer even if I wish I rather not ...

Regards,

Jean.

PeterBreis0807 Author

Level 8

41,196 points

Nov 14, 2013 2:44 PM in response to montcley.jean

Well my take is that there are a lot of people in Apple doing nothing but shuffling paper and money.

Also I am not totally sure about the spaceship shape but probably most of the windows face inwards. 😉

At least the windows of those making the decisions.

Peter

Nov 14, 2013 2:59 PM in response to PeterBreis0807

😊 ...

You almost read my mind ...

Jean.

PeterBreis0807 Author

Level 8

41,196 points

Nov 14, 2013 3:11 PM in response to montcley.jean

An aging bureaucracy eventually does nothing but pass the buck in circles.

Apple has designed for itself, as it always says it does.

Peter

Robson

Level 1

24 points

Nov 14, 2013 3:26 PM in response to PeterBreis0807

Peter, please stop posting off-topic. I'm getting an email every time you flame Apple and that's got nothing at all to do with the features checklist. Thanks!

PeterBreis0807 Author

Level 8

41,196 points

Nov 14, 2013 3:46 PM in response to Robson

Sorry about the emails, but that is a bug in this forum software.

As for the rest, just chewing the fat with Jean and there are plenty of off topic posts, nearly all not happy (or worse) with Apple.

Not sure how to expalin that…

Peter

Nov 14, 2013 4:57 PM in response to PeterBreis0807

Supplying feedback to Apple through the channels available is a good way to effect change. We are inching ever closer to a one-and-a-half star rating for Pages. There are now 1200 1-star reviews. Keep up the good work, keep your feedback coming. We will get Pages back. We are planning a huge "Bring Pages Back" rally to be held in downtown Auckland for December. This thread not for discussion of it, but pm me if you're local and want to participate.

PeterBreis0807 Author

Level 8

41,196 points

Nov 14, 2013 5:25 PM in response to israfelli

Happy to add a section in iWorkTipsnTricks if it helps.

The problem with the App Store is that it takes an average not a median of the scores.

So one 5 star rating = five 1 star ratings.

I am very, VERY suspicious of some of the gushing 5 star reviews that offer no reasons for their choice or simply mention basic features that are not unique to the new version, or in most cases any version of Pages, as distinct from other software.

Also if you have a look at the number of reviews, in the Australian App Store, the Customer Ratings shows 227 reviews but in the Customer Reviews under you can only find 110. The same in the USA App Store. Someone is editing them.

There are in fact more (132) 1 star reviews than the total visible (110) reviews in the Store.

And as I have pointed out the trend is to later reviews, ie from people who have actually used Pages 5 and now know what has been cut/changed, nearly all being 1 star reviews. ie They hate it!

Peter

Nov 14, 2013 6:28 PM in response to PeterBreis0807

I'm suspicious about those 5 star ratings too, but

So one 5 star rating = five 1 star ratings.

is not how averages work (unless they counted each 5 star vote as five distinct votes). In other words, If you only had two reviews for Pages, say, a 5 star and a 1 star. The average would be is 3 stars. Adding another 5 star only requires adding another 1 star to bring the average back to 3. All weights affect the average equally.

PeterBreis0807 Author

Level 8

41,196 points

Nov 14, 2013 6:44 PM in response to israfelli

Sorry, you are right.

But the point of the median being more accurate still stands.

The median of one 5 star and five 1 star is still 1 star.

ie of the Cohort of:

1 1 1 1 1 5

1 represents the overall rating, not 1.6.

Peter

Nov 14, 2013 7:05 PM in response to PeterBreis0807

Yes but considering the Cohort of 1 1 1 1 1 5

the median would indeed be 1 star which would reflect the most oft chosen rating (in this case), but the mean (average) of that same cohort would be 1.6 star, which gives us a better judgement as to how well the software is liked, by aggregating everyones' opinion.

In the app store ratings, the current median as things stand now would be 1 star. That tells us is that Pages has gotten more 1 star reviews than anything else. That's good to know, but it does not tell us how well the software is liked, the average does that very well.

Say for example an app has only three ratings, a 1, 1, and 5 star. The median would be 1 star, and the average would be 2.3 stars. Someone only seeing the median would be biased and assume that the app was total junk. Someone seeing the average, 2.3, would see a more accurate indicator of how well the app is being recieved: two people hated it and one person loved it, 2.3 stars reflects that "vibe"

Of course if the 5 star reviews are bogus, then median would indeed be more accurate indictator of Pages' reception than the average.

Pages 5 features checklist