Exchange servers and Mavericks Mail

walterfromhouston wrote:

You clearly have never had to actually work with the exported and imported versions of complicated office files

Of course I have, do you imagine that you are the only one dealing with MS crap.

Use Libre Office or buy a copy of MS Office.

Good luck.

My experience is that LibreOffice is mostly compatible with simple documents, but at the same time it can screw up small things here and there. The problem is that it doesn't tell you where it has screwed up and you can discover years later that a cross-reference has gone missing or formatting is screwed up, or numbered styles are no longer numbered. When you have to collaborate with MS Office users even a slight chance of those problems is a deal-breaker. Suggesting Libre Office indicates an extremely lucky case of an environment that only works with very simple office documents.

kaa2000 wrote:

My experience is that LibreOffice is mostly compatible with simple documents, but at the same time it can screw up small things here and there. The problem is that it doesn't tell you where it has screwed up and you can discover years later that a cross-reference has gone missing or formatting is screwed up, or numbered styles are no longer numbered. When you have to collaborate with MS Office users even a slight chance of those problems is a deal-breaker. Suggesting Libre Office indicates an extremely lucky case of an environment that only works with very simple office documents.

That is why I said use Libre Office or purchase a copy of MS Office (which also has compatibility issues between disparate versions)

The only way to ensure compatibility is to us THE SAME program as created the document, right down to platform and version.

As I said before MS Office formats and apps are junk.

Again, you are suggesting LibreOffice to someone who seem to work exclusively with MS Office users. This just not gonna work. Different versions of Office don't have nearly the same incompatibilities as LibreOffice vs any version of MS Office.

Whether MS Office formats and apps are junk is not a question, but Office 2013 is pretty good. If only Mac Office was as good.

I havent had any problems integrating any of my legacy documents, even with the new Apple "iwork" products. So i uninstalled my Office 2008, silverlight, and everything in the Libraries prefixed Microsoft. Libre is more like Office to use, but the functionality seems to be in iwork, just need to look where they hid it. Then again I dont use pivot tables, macros etc. .

Interestingly UK Government just announced their intention to pilot the use of Open office products across the entire Civil Service. Hmmm we'll see.

Yeah, you don't know what you are talking about. The person is working in the MS Office environment, and you are suggesting that LibreOffice is an option. There's no "Choice", anyone bringing up anything other than MS Office in this scenario doesn't know what they are talking about.

One-way one-time conversion is feasible, if there's not too many MS-specific features in the documents. It's the continous interchanging use of MS and non-MS Office is what is impossible at this point.

Inconvenient yes, not impossible. As a retired person sending out the odd report to sports club members, I use entirely iwork, and convert only when I send out.

Were I still working and my employers even allowed me to use Mac (my actual employers of 35 years would never have allowed it!) I would get Office for Mac again.

If that's your only use-case, of course it's possible. But if it was a mildly complex document, which has to be edited by the MS Office users, then by iWork users, then MS Office users again - the problems will become visible real quick.

kaa2000 wrote:

Yeah, you don't know what you are talking about.

If that is not your opinion what is it?

Are you a child, or don't you remember what you just posted.

We're done, good luck with helping people, it is clear you have had limited success so far.

No, it's not my opinion. It's a conclusion based on the ******** you are spewing.

A choice was offered but you seem unable to discern between offering a choice, or not.

Yeah, speaking about opinions...

Fellows, please stop these childish conversations. This is a serious message board for people interested in finding a solution to Maverickas and Exchange related issues.

Thank you for your cooperation.

For anyone able to, I suggest configuring Mail.app to connect to your Exchange server as IMAP. Delete the Exchange account from Mail.app, then create a new IMAP account. If your Exchange server doesn't allow IMAP connections then this won't work, but ours here is allowing it for iPhone e-mail etc. and so allows Mail.app to work. I used NTLM authentication for the IMAP and Password authentication for the SMTP. Now my e-mail arrives on my screen the split second it's sent.

I agree that if you can not get an Exchange account to work Imap (if available) is the best alternative. Might need a chat with the IT dept though.

Or use Touchdown and Exchange ActiveSync (same as an iPhone or iPad)