Mavericks and memory (Ram)

It is indeed speculation, but if you are happy as you are 🙂

I was having MAJOR problems with opening anything or even as simple as starting up my computer (took 30 minutes at least). After 6 hours of viewing forums, the activity monitor(memory was in the green but RAM was running at 3.99G out of 4G), and correcting everything that could be the potential culprit (caches, repair of Disk Utility, etc), the problem continued to persist. And to top it off, the length of time to open anything or start up my computer kept increasing exponentially. After help from my dad for several more hours, the cause was determined to be the "Login items" that caused all of the problems. Go to System Preferences->Users & Groups->Login Items and uncheck all of the applications so they will not automatically open up upon starting of the computer. This solved all of my problems.

zactaylor wrote:

I was having MAJOR problems with opening anything or even as simple as starting up my computer (took 30 minutes at least). After 6 hours of viewing forums, the activity monitor(memory was in the green but RAM was running at 3.99G out of 4G), and correcting everything that could be the potential culprit (caches, repair of Disk Utility, etc), the problem continued to persist.

But having RAM full is not a problem, it's supposed to be that way. As long as the MEMORY PRESSURE graph stays green, it is not a problem.

That said, having a lot of login items will delay opening new pas and startup time, so it's certainly wise to keep those at a minimum, but from what you said, I'm not sure you actually eliminated them. Unchecking the box won't do it, you have to highlight each one and click the "-" button. The check boxes are only to hide the app when it launches, not to stop them from launching. And some of them were put their by the system to make certain apps (such as iTunes) work properly, so be certain you leave those active.

So I thought I fixed the issue. Logging back on, I went through and "-" all of the items on the list. However, the issue still somewhat persists. I believe it's from an application I downloaded a week ago. I'm currently trying to get it off of the computer. I guess I'll have to deal with the iTunes problem when it comes along... Stay tuned.

A quick recommendation then. Start a new discussion topic and explain your issue in detail. This discussion has gone on long enough and is a dead end since the only problem with Mavericks and RAM is possibly not having enough.

You haven't really told us much about your real problem and almost nobody is following this old thread any more. A new start will get you much more attention quicker from more qualified experts in that area than you'll find hanging around here. I have no idea why I am still around. That's just the way this forum works best.

I love mavericks, but let me share some painful experience. I had 2 MBP (Core Duo 2.53 w 8GB & i7 2.3 w 16 GB). Both upgraded to Mavericks and performed well (although in all honesty, the i7 was snappier). For a variety of reasons, both had to be downgraded to 4 GB and now perform like pigs. Both using newer software (M$ Office 2011) and not running utilities. By comparison, my iMac (Core Duo 2.16 w/ 4GB) is still pretty snappy stuck on Lion, used foe similar purposes and software (M$ Office 2008). My conclusion based on just observation, no measurement or fix application, don't even think about running Mavericks on less than 8 GB and I would think VERY hard before running it on less than 16. If your Mac can't accept enough RAM, stay with Lion or Mountain Lion until you get a new Mac with more RAM.

If your Mac can't accept enough RAM, stay with Lion or Mountain Lion until you get a new Mac with more RAM.

Mavericks requires no more Ram than Lion or Mountain Lion, 4GB works, 8GB works better, 16GB best of all (just like Mountain Lion)

If you Mac has less than 4GB and you are unable to increase it you should stay on Snow Leopard.

I AM REALLY NO TECHIE AND UNDERSTAND LITTLE, even though I used Mac since 1986... I am faced with something new here:

Problem description:

Sluggish MacBookPro mid 2010 LOTS of memory used even without anything opened.

EtreCheck version: 2.0.5 (90)

Report generated 19 October, 2014 at 15:35:17 GMT+3

Hardware Information: ℹ️

MacBook Pro (13-inch, Mid 2010) (Verified)

MacBook Pro - model: MacBookPro7,1

1 2.4 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo CPU: 2-core

8 GB RAM Upgradeable

BANK 0/DIMM0

4 GB DDR3 1067 MHz ok

BANK 1/DIMM0

4 GB DDR3 1067 MHz ok

Bluetooth: Old - Handoff/Airdrop2 not supported

Wireless: en1: 802.11 a/b/g/n

Video Information: ℹ️

NVIDIA GeForce 320M - VRAM: 256 MB

Color LCD 1280 x 800

System Software: ℹ️

OS X 10.9.5 (13F34) - Uptime: 2:3:4

Disk Information: ℹ️

HGST HTS541010A9E680 disk0 : (1 TB)

S.M.A.R.T. Status: Verified

EFI (disk0s1) <not mounted> : 210 MB

MBP (disk0s2) / [Startup]: 999.35 GB (853.44 GB free)

Recovery HD (disk0s3) <not mounted> [Recovery]: 650 MB

HL-DT-ST DVDRW GS23N

USB Information: ℹ️

Apple Internal Memory Card Reader

Apple Inc. BRCM2046 Hub

Apple Inc. Bluetooth USB Host Controller

Apple Computer, Inc. IR Receiver

Apple Inc. Apple Internal Keyboard / Trackpad

Apple Inc. Built-in iSight

Configuration files: ℹ️

/etc/hosts - Count: 4

Gatekeeper: ℹ️

Anywhere

Kernel Extensions: ℹ️

/Applications/CLEANUP/DiskWarrior.app

[not loaded] com.alsoft.Preview (4.3) Support

/Applications/CLEANUP/TechTool Protogo/Protogo Applications/TechTool Pro 7.app

[not loaded] com.micromat.driver.spdKernel (1 - SDK 10.8) Support

/Applications/Utilities/TOAST/Toast 10 Titanium/Toast Titanium.app

[not loaded] com.roxio.BluRaySupport (1.1.6) Support

[not loaded] com.roxio.TDIXController (2.0) Support

/Applications/Utilities/TOAST/Toast 11 Titanium/Spin Doctor.app

[not loaded] com.hzsystems.terminus.driver (4) Support

/Applications/VPN/Viscosity.app

[not loaded] com.viscosityvpn.Viscosity.tap (1.0) Support

[not loaded] com.viscosityvpn.Viscosity.tun (1.0) Support

/Library/Extensions

[loaded] at.obdev.nke.LittleSnitch (4212 - SDK 10.8) Support

[not loaded] com.BlackBerry.driver.USBCDCNCM (1.0.10 - SDK 10.7) Support

[loaded] com.metakine.handsoff.driver (2.2 - SDK 10.6) Support

[loaded] com.rim.driver.BlackBerryUSBDriverInt (2.2.7 - SDK 10.7) Support

[loaded] com.rim.driver.BlackBerryVirtualPrivateNetwork (1.0.18 - SDK 10.8) Support

/System/Library/Extensions

[not loaded] com.elgato.driver.DontMatchAfaTech (1.1) Support

[not loaded] com.elgato.driver.DontMatchCinergy450 (1.1) Support

[not loaded] com.elgato.driver.DontMatchCinergyXS (1.1) Support

[not loaded] com.elgato.driver.DontMatchEmpia (1.1) Support

[not loaded] com.elgato.driver.DontMatchVoyager (1.1) Support

Startup Items: ℹ️

ProTec6b: Path: /Library/StartupItems/ProTec6b

Startup items are obsolete and will not work in future versions of OS X

Problem System Launch Agents: ℹ️

[running] com.paragon.NTFS.notify.plist Support

[invalid?] com.paragon.NTFS.trial.plist Support

[invalid?] com.paragon.NTFS.upd.plist Support

Problem System Launch Daemons: ℹ️

[failed] com.apple.wdhelper.plist

Launch Agents: ℹ️

[running] at.obdev.LittleSnitchUIAgent.plist Support

[not loaded] com.adobe.AAM.Updater-1.0.plist Support

[running] com.amazon.sendtokindle.launcher.plist Support

[loaded] com.divx.dms.agent.plist Support

[loaded] com.divx.update.agent.plist Support

[loaded] com.epson.ews.launcher.plist Support

[running] com.machangout.glims.agent.plist Support

[running] com.metakine.handsoff.agent.plist Support

[loaded] com.paragon.updater.plist Support

[running] com.rim.BBLaunchAgent.plist Support

[running] com.rim.blackberrylink.BlackBerry-Link-Helper-Agent.plist Support

[running] com.rim.PeerManager.plist Support

Launch Daemons: ℹ️

[running] at.obdev.littlesnitchd.plist Support

[loaded] com.adobe.fpsaud.plist Support

[invalid?] com.adobe.SwitchBoard.plist Support

[invalid?] com.lsreset.plist Support

[running] com.machangout.glims.loader.plist Support

[loaded] com.macpaw.CleanMyMac2.Agent.plist Support

[running] com.metakine.handsoff.daemon.plist Support

[loaded] com.microsoft.office.licensing.helper.plist Support

[loaded] com.paragon.ntfs11.refresh.plist Support

[loaded] com.prosofteng.DriveGenius.locum.plist Support

[running] com.rim.BBDaemon.plist Support

[not loaded] com.rim.nkehelper.plist Support

[running] com.rim.tunmgr.plist Support

[running] com.synium.cleanappdaemon.plist Support

[loaded] com.westerndigital.WD-SmartWare-Installer.plist Support

[loaded] com.wuala.WualaFS.KextLoaderHelper.plist Support

User Launch Agents: ℹ️

[loaded] com.adobe.ARM.[...].plist Support

[loaded] com.macpaw.CleanMyMac2Helper.diskSpaceWatcher.plist Support

[loaded] com.macpaw.CleanMyMac2Helper.scheduledScan.plist Support

[loaded] com.macpaw.CleanMyMac2Helper.trashWatcher.plist Support

[failed] TurnerTeK.ShareIT.agent.plist Support

[running] ws.agile.1PasswordAgent.plist Support

User Login Items: ℹ️

PopClip Application (/Applications/App. FOR TEXT/PopClip.app)

FreeMemory Pro Application (/Applications/Utilities/FreeMemory Pro.app)

CopyPaste Pro Application (/Applications/App. FOR TEXT/Copy-Paste.5/CopyPaste Pro.app)

NetShred X ApplicationHidden (/Applications/Utilities/NetShred X Folder/Mac OS X 10.6 and later/NetShred X.app)

PowerboxInjector Application (/Applications/PowerboxInjector.app)

Classic Menu Application (/Applications/Classic Menu.app)

Internet Plug-ins: ℹ️

OVSHelper: Version: 1.1 Support

Default Browser: Version: 537 - SDK 10.9

Flip4Mac WMV Plugin: Version: 3.2.0.16 - SDK 10.8 Support

AdobeAAMDetect: Version: AdobeAAMDetect 1.0.0.0 - SDK 10.6 Support

FlashPlayer-10.6: Version: 15.0.0.152 - SDK 10.6 Support

DivX Web Player: Version: 3.2.0.788 - SDK 10.6 Support

AdobePDFViewerNPAPI: Version: 11.0.09 - SDK 10.6 Support

Flash Player: Version: 15.0.0.152 - SDK 10.6 Mismatch! Adobe recommends 15.0.0.189

QuickTime Plugin: Version: 7.7.3

SharePointBrowserPlugin: Version: 14.0.0 Support

AdobePDFViewer: Version: 11.0.09 - SDK 10.6 Support

JavaAppletPlugin: Version: Java 7 Update 60 Check version

Safari Extensions: ℹ️

Incognito (Disabled)

Google Disconnect (Disabled)

AVG Do Not Track (Disabled)

DoNotTrackMe (Disabled)

AdBlock

1Password

Twitter Disconnect (Disabled)

Facebook Disconnect (Disabled)

iTube Studio

GoPhoto.it (Disabled)

OpenIE

Cookie Stumbler (Disabled)

Audio Plug-ins: ℹ️

Hear: Version: 1.1.3 - SDK 10.5 Support

3rd Party Preference Panes: ℹ️

Flash Player Support

Flip4Mac WMV Support

iClock Pro Support

Paragon NTFS for Mac ® OS X Support

Tuxera NTFS Support

Time Machine: ℹ️

Skip System Files: NO

Mobile backups: OFF

Auto backup: NO - Auto backup turned off

Volumes being backed up:

Destinations:

Silver2T [Local]

Total size: 2 TB

Total number of backups: 28

Oldest backup: 2012-07-21 21:27:44 +0000

Last backup: 2014-09-14 10:04:08 +0000

Size of backup disk: Excellent

Backup size 2 TB > (Disk size 0 B X 3)

Top Processes by CPU: ℹ️

14% WindowServer

0% Classic Menu

0% CopyPaste Pro

0% mdworker

0% HandsOffAgent

Top Processes by Memory: ℹ️

533 MB Safari

172 MB com.apple.IconServicesAgent

103 MB Dock

103 MB com.apple.WebKit.WebContent

77 MB CopyPaste Pro

Virtual Memory Information: ℹ️

3.69 GB Free RAM

2.50 GB Active RAM

1.31 GB Inactive RAM

801 MB Wired RAM

919 MB Page-ins

1 MB Page-outs

You sure have a lot to choose from. I am not at all surprised that your Mac doesn't run well.

Remove all of these (in the red boxes), there's lots more, there are in fact so many that it might be faster and certainly will be better if you erase your Mac and reinstall, restoring data from a backup

It is going to take a while to get through the entire list, and you must remove each item correctly (per the developers instructions) google for them. If you are actually using a BlackBerry contact Rim for solutions for syncing it with Yosemite. Paragon NTFS is included because it is capable (as a system extension) of causing havoc, but it is not known for that. It may be OK to put it back later

Post back

Sorry, picture posting is messed up, I'll do each section independently

Stage 2

Anything and everything that mentions Blackberry, Rim or BB

Same for Paragon, Drive Genius, MacPaw (CleanMyMac and CleanMyMac2)* WD-SmarWare (the last 2 are particularly bad and should not be within miles of your Mac, it may not be possible to undo any damage they have done)

These:

And these:

I cannot see any of your links.

I get this:

Error

An general error occurred while processing your request.

ANYWAY, I re-installed the system just yesterday and restored with Time-Machine Backup...

I already eliminated most of the red stuff MANUALLY...

We'll see...

OK.

I eliminated the launchdemons and launchagents that were not needed at all...from the System Folder, from the Root Folder and from the user folder...

Now it seems a bit better:

EtreCheck version: 2.0.5 (90)

Report generated 19 October, 2014 at 19:09:06 GMT+3

Hardware Information: ℹ️

MacBook Pro (13-inch, Mid 2010) (Verified)

MacBook Pro - model: MacBookPro7,1

1 2.4 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo CPU: 2-core

8 GB RAM Upgradeable

BANK 0/DIMM0

4 GB DDR3 1067 MHz ok

BANK 1/DIMM0

4 GB DDR3 1067 MHz ok

Bluetooth: Old - Handoff/Airdrop2 not supported

Wireless: en1: 802.11 a/b/g/n

Video Information: ℹ️

NVIDIA GeForce 320M - VRAM: 256 MB

Color LCD 1280 x 800

System Software: ℹ️

OS X 10.9.5 (13F34) - Uptime: 0:8:16

Disk Information: ℹ️

HGST HTS541010A9E680 disk0 : (1 TB)

S.M.A.R.T. Status: Verified

EFI (disk0s1) <not mounted> : 210 MB

MBP (disk0s2) / [Startup]: 999.35 GB (852.23 GB free)

Recovery HD (disk0s3) <not mounted> [Recovery]: 650 MB

HL-DT-ST DVDRW GS23N

USB Information: ℹ️

Apple Inc. Built-in iSight

Apple Internal Memory Card Reader

Apple Inc. BRCM2046 Hub

Apple Inc. Bluetooth USB Host Controller

Apple Computer, Inc. IR Receiver

Apple Inc. Apple Internal Keyboard / Trackpad

Configuration files: ℹ️

/etc/hosts - Count: 4

Gatekeeper: ℹ️

Anywhere

Kernel Extensions: ℹ️

/Applications/CLEANUP/DiskWarrior.app

[not loaded] com.alsoft.Preview (4.3) Support

/Applications/CLEANUP/TechTool Protogo/Protogo Applications/TechTool Pro 7.app

[not loaded] com.micromat.driver.spdKernel (1 - SDK 10.8) Support

/Applications/Utilities/TOAST/Toast 10 Titanium/Toast Titanium.app

[not loaded] com.roxio.BluRaySupport (1.1.6) Support

[not loaded] com.roxio.TDIXController (2.0) Support

/Applications/Utilities/TOAST/Toast 11 Titanium/Spin Doctor.app

[not loaded] com.hzsystems.terminus.driver (4) Support

/Applications/VPN/Viscosity.app

[not loaded] com.viscosityvpn.Viscosity.tap (1.0) Support

[not loaded] com.viscosityvpn.Viscosity.tun (1.0) Support

/Library/Extensions

[loaded] at.obdev.nke.LittleSnitch (4212 - SDK 10.8) Support

[not loaded] com.BlackBerry.driver.USBCDCNCM (1.0.10 - SDK 10.7) Support

[loaded] com.metakine.handsoff.driver (2.2 - SDK 10.6) Support

[loaded] com.rim.driver.BlackBerryUSBDriverInt (2.2.7 - SDK 10.7) Support

[not loaded] com.rim.driver.BlackBerryVirtualPrivateNetwork (1.0.18 - SDK 10.8) Support

/System/Library/Extensions

[not loaded] com.elgato.driver.DontMatchAfaTech (1.1) Support

[not loaded] com.elgato.driver.DontMatchCinergy450 (1.1) Support

[not loaded] com.elgato.driver.DontMatchCinergyXS (1.1) Support

[not loaded] com.elgato.driver.DontMatchEmpia (1.1) Support

[not loaded] com.elgato.driver.DontMatchVoyager (1.1) Support

Launch Agents: ℹ️

[running] at.obdev.LittleSnitchUIAgent.plist Support

[not loaded] com.adobe.AAM.Updater-1.0.plist Support

[running] com.amazon.sendtokindle.launcher.plist Support

[loaded] com.divx.dms.agent.plist Support

[loaded] com.epson.ews.launcher.plist Support

[running] com.machangout.glims.agent.plist Support

[running] com.metakine.handsoff.agent.plist Support

Launch Daemons: ℹ️

[running] at.obdev.littlesnitchd.plist Support

[loaded] com.adobe.fpsaud.plist Support

[invalid?] com.adobe.SwitchBoard.plist Support

[invalid?] com.lsreset.plist Support

[running] com.machangout.glims.loader.plist Support

[loaded] com.macpaw.CleanMyMac2.Agent.plist Support

[running] com.metakine.handsoff.daemon.plist Support

[loaded] com.microsoft.office.licensing.helper.plist Support

[running] com.synium.cleanappdaemon.plist Support

[loaded] com.wuala.WualaFS.KextLoaderHelper.plist Support

User Launch Agents: ℹ️

[loaded] com.adobe.ARM.[...].plist Support

[running] ws.agile.1PasswordAgent.plist Support

User Login Items: ℹ️

PopClip Application (/Applications/App. FOR TEXT/PopClip.app)

FreeMemory Pro Application (/Applications/Utilities/FreeMemory Pro.app)

CopyPaste Pro Application (/Applications/App. FOR TEXT/Copy-Paste.5/CopyPaste Pro.app)

NetShred X ApplicationHidden (/Applications/Utilities/NetShred X Folder/Mac OS X 10.6 and later/NetShred X.app)

PowerboxInjector Application (/Applications/PowerboxInjector.app)

Classic Menu Application (/Applications/Classic Menu.app)

Internet Plug-ins: ℹ️

OVSHelper: Version: 1.1 Support

Default Browser: Version: 537 - SDK 10.9

Flip4Mac WMV Plugin: Version: 3.2.0.16 - SDK 10.8 Support

AdobeAAMDetect: Version: AdobeAAMDetect 1.0.0.0 - SDK 10.6 Support

FlashPlayer-10.6: Version: 15.0.0.189 - SDK 10.6 Support

DivX Web Player: Version: 3.2.0.788 - SDK 10.6 Support

AdobePDFViewerNPAPI: Version: 11.0.09 - SDK 10.6 Support

Flash Player: Version: 15.0.0.189 - SDK 10.6 Support

QuickTime Plugin: Version: 7.7.3

SharePointBrowserPlugin: Version: 14.0.0 Support

AdobePDFViewer: Version: 11.0.09 - SDK 10.6 Support

JavaAppletPlugin: Version: Java 7 Update 60 Check version

Safari Extensions: ℹ️

Incognito (Disabled)

Google Disconnect (Disabled)

AVG Do Not Track (Disabled)

DoNotTrackMe (Disabled)

AdBlock

1Password

Twitter Disconnect (Disabled)

Facebook Disconnect (Disabled)

iTube Studio

GoPhoto.it (Disabled)

Open in Internet Explorer

Cookie Stumbler (Disabled)

Audio Plug-ins: ℹ️

Hear: Version: 1.1.3 - SDK 10.5 Support

3rd Party Preference Panes: ℹ️

Flash Player Support

Flip4Mac WMV Support

iClock Pro Support

Paragon NTFS for Mac ® OS X Support

Tuxera NTFS Support

Time Machine: ℹ️

Skip System Files: NO

Mobile backups: OFF

Auto backup: NO - Auto backup turned off

Volumes being backed up:

Destinations:

Silver2T [Local]

Total size: 2 TB

Total number of backups: 28

Oldest backup: 2012-07-21 21:27:44 +0000

Last backup: 2014-09-14 10:04:08 +0000

Size of backup disk: Excellent

Backup size 2 TB > (Disk size 0 B X 3)

Top Processes by CPU: ℹ️

13% WindowServer

1% mds

0% Classic Menu

0% CopyPaste Pro

0% CleanApp Daemon

Top Processes by Memory: ℹ️

172 MB com.apple.IconServicesAgent

103 MB mds_stores

77 MB Dock

52 MB ocspd

34 MB CopyPaste Pro

Virtual Memory Information: ℹ️

6.00 GB Free RAM

1.14 GB Active RAM

486 MB Inactive RAM

700 MB Wired RAM

863 MB Page-ins

0 B Page-outs

Sergio Tezza wrote:

Gatekeeper: ℹ️

Anywhere

You have disabled GateKeeper, which is never a good idea! It's easy enough to use non-AppStore or unsigned apps by simply right-clicking / Command-clicking the app and choosing "Open" from the Contextual Menu. That way you won't accidentally install something dangerous or annoying.

Re-enable GateKeeper by opening System Preferences->Security & Privacy->General tab.

If the padlock is closed, click on it and enter your admin credentials.

Change “Allow apps downloaded from:” to at least “Mac App Store and identified developers”.

Safari Extensions: ℹ️

GoPhoto.it (Disabled)

Even though this is disabled now, you have obviously accidentally installed adware.

Run AdwareMedic developed by a recognized forum malware guru and colleague of mine to identify all currently known adware and optionally have it removed for you or you can do it manually.

Thanks for your input. I appreciate your attitude. 🙂