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  • Csound1 Level 8 (46,870 points)

    Stripped of any speculation this issue is very simple. Labels have been removed.

  • Doug-H1955 Level 1 (0 points)

    Stripped of any speculation this issue is very simple: Many people here want them back!

  • Csound1 Level 8 (46,870 points)

    I agree, 'here' being this thread, there are less than 841 people who want them back.


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    If you want to know exaactly how many then I will leave it to you to count the number of individual posters who want them back and deduct multiple post by the same poster.


    Let us know exactly how "many people here want them back" when you are done.

  • Doug-H1955 Level 1 (0 points)

    Don't need to let you know EXACTLY how many want them back. You already pointed out that there are over 800 posts concerning Re: I hate the new tags in Mavericks, need coloured folders!!. Given the topic, I could have said MOST here want them back.

  • Csound1 Level 8 (46,870 points)

    Yup. 842 now, many, like yours, from the same people. I count about 300 individual posters, some of whom want labels back, some who don't care.


    I'll guess (as guessing seems to be OK here that there are about 206 posters here wanting labels back.

  • petermac87 Level 5 (7,355 points)

    If your post was removed, then it was for breech of the Terms Of Use that YOU agreed to after you read them when joining this site. Don't blame us. It may pay you to go back and read them again.





  • PeterBreis0807 Level 7 (34,567 points)

    In a small sampling on any issue it is not wise to assume that that is ALL that hold that view.


    The vast majority of people who may hold a view may not want to come to a forum, which is largely a wake for tragically terminated software functionality*.


    Sadly too many throw around the "fact" that they don't use something as "evidence" that it should be removed.


    Reminds me of the condom skit in the Meaning of Life.


    By the same logic that since I don't watch football it should be scrapped.


    …or I have never lived in your part of town so it should be bulldozed.


    …or I can't read or don't bother, so burn all the books.


    Of course disagreeing with the Official policy is intolerable, not the toleration of practices that do no harm, but do a lot for those who know, and actually use them.




    * Particularly when the only result usually is to get attacked for disagreeing with Apple.

  • Csound1 Level 8 (46,870 points)

    I can state that no more than 846 replies have been received in this post, i can also confirm that not all of them are by unique posters. A swift count suggests an average of 2.3 posts per person.


    So I am happy with my numbers regarding this post.


    As for the rest of the world?  Who knows.

  • PeterBreis0807 Level 7 (34,567 points)

    So how many posters here have said they are happy with the new Tags.


    Shall we take that as everyone else who hasn't posted is unhappy?


    I used to do this with Advertising companies and know fully what small sampling is worth.


    This is not even randomised to the extent that statisticians attempt to balance out views.


    Nor does it take into account the massive ennui that rules out most people from an opinion on anything.


    How do you measure the passion of those for whom it is a big deal, against those for whom it is someone else's loss, not theirs?


    That's how all pogroms begin.



  • Csound1 Level 8 (46,870 points)

    That has nothing to do with what I said. I drew no conclusion about anything other than this thread, as this thread was the subject of the post I replied to.


    I have no idea of the total numbers of satisfied or dissatisfied users overall. And neither does anyone else.

  • Barney-15E Level 8 (46,274 points)

    PeterBreis0807 wrote:


    So how many posters here have said they are happy with the new Tags.


    Shall we take that as everyone else who hasn't posted is unhappy?

    No. The majority of people who have no problems with something do not complain. Very few people write reviews and those that do are more often than not negative. It's difficult to find any studies for that question as most focus on how to get reviews as opposed to how many people don't.



    It is estimated that for every 1 complaint, there are 26 more. Even assuming all posts here are negative, that makes about 20,000 unhappy people. Last stat I saw on Mavericks usage was somewhere in the 20 million.



    However, my guess would be that most never used Labels, so they have no dog in the fight. I don't think it is possible to estimate the number who find the new Tags a useful addition as opposed to losing nothing.

  • PeterBreis0807 Level 7 (34,567 points)

    Barney-15E wrote:

    No. The majority of people who have no problems with something do not complain.


    Hmmm! Just when I think there is nothing more to be learnt on the subject.



  • StitcherGA Level 1 (0 points)

    I think you're right about no dog in the fight, but then I would guess most computer users don't read these forum postings.


    Even though the number is likely small I would bet more people used the colored folders than will ever use the dots, but who knows.


    I can't see why Apple couldn't/wouldn't have both, bit over the years I've had Apple computers, I've certainly seen they aren't the least responsive to their users.


    Like most big companies, they think they know best.


    Maybe some clever kid will write an app for the folders.

  • PeterBreis0807 Level 7 (34,567 points)

    I would trash any System that only had what most people use.




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  • DABbio Level 1 (0 points)

    What I was really hoping for was to stimulate some talented developer to come up with a hack that even a newbie could use that will restore the label functionality without making a smear of the rest of that absolutely perfect OS that we are all going to come to love, whether we like it or not. It's funny that my post was bounced for its speculative nature, when a large fraction of the other posts in this discussion are even more wildly speculative about what a certain company will, won't, should, or shouldn't have done. But this is not about you, Apple. This is for that bright, young coder out there reading this thread--BTW, besides submissions, there have been north of 48,000 views--to seize an opportunity. Whether we take Barney's estimate of 20,000 on the low side, or mine of 80,000 on the high side--and the actual figure could be much higher even than that eventually--I sense a market that some developer needs to get developing!

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