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MBA 13 Mid 2013 crash Black screen

Has anyone else encountered an issue where they are using their Mid-2013 MacBook Air (13in) on battery when the machine suddenly goes to sleep or appears to, but it has actually crashed. The screen is dark, keyboard and trackpad are not responsive and the keyboard backlight is on. You have to force it off to restart by pressing and holding the power button? It is completely random, not a kernel panic, and nothing I can see in any logs. After the recent firmware update the symptoms changed such that the display is still active since the Apple logo is lighted. I've never had it happen when I'm on a/c power. Unfortunately its random and infrequent too. The recent firmware indicated it helped with battery issues, etc. didn't fix mine apparently.

MacBook Air, OS X Mavericks (10.9)

Posted on Oct 24, 2013 4:36 AM

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Jan 6, 2014 2:18 AM in response to MohammedaliH

They replaced my I/O board, flex cable, logic board, display, hard drive (inc swapping 128 for 256) and battery.


It still failed.


Apple offered a new machine but were unable to guarantee it would work, so I got a refund.


I need a lightweight reliable notebook for travelling on business, so another MBP (I have an 18 month old 17" MBP that just had to have its logic board replaced) is unacceptable.


Considering the failure of my 2012 MBA, 2013 MBA and 2012 MBP, I'm very happy to move away from Apple's overpriced poor quality machines.

Jan 6, 2014 1:04 PM in response to Sarguin

Hello to all and happy new year!


I have purchased a MBA 11'' i5 1,3GHz/ 4GB RAM/ 256GB SSD (Toshiba) before 3 days from greek premium Apple reseller. It's my first Mac PC so I though it was a good investement.

Unfortunately, I am facing the same problems with all of you.


1st time happened while I was downloading OS X Maverick from App Store (active OS was Mountain Lion). I didn't know what to do, so I pressed the power button for 5-7 seconds and restarted.


2nd time happened while using Skype on Maverick. During Skype call the display dimmed for a very short period (less than 1 second when usually lasts 5-6 seconds) and immediately the display was off. Backlit on keyboard was still on, while I was trying to wake MBA up (the same second). The strange thing is that although the screen was black and I couldn't wake up the MBA, Skype call was still on and I was talking to my friend. When I finished the call (he hanged up) I restarted like the 1st time.


3rd time was not good. While I was scrolling down in Safari it suddenly went in the same state (crashed). No dim, no sleep protocol. Just black screen, backlit KB on and couldn't wake it up. This was the odd one.


After that I've started reading all the discussions here and I tried to reproduce the problem. I can tell that I have a 80-90% success.


Now I'm in a big trilemma. Should I return it and get a full refund? Or take my chances and replace it with another same model (in case it will be from the good patch)? Or maybe I should keep this one in case we have a hotfix?


Does Apple really working on a fix or it's just a "promise" to prevent their sales numbers to fall?!

I really love everything on MBA and OS X...except this issue.

I've noticed that there are some new posts from other users regarding this issue; they are not using only MBA but also MBP and iMac. So at first we can say that there is a general problem in Maverick.


I've also noticed that there are some Apple Community Specialists that give answers on other threads and questions, but not on this one.


Is there any responsible representative of Apple that can give us a responsible and official answer?


Personally, if I will not get any real answer from someone responsible, I will return my MBA and I will advice my friends to stay on Windows PCs. I will also try the AppleCare telephone support, but after all the things I've read here, I am not so optimistic.


Sorry for my english.

Jan 6, 2014 4:26 PM in response to kimgood

It's a 2013 model and I have a 256GB SSD on. The model starts with TS.

I'm currently reinstalling OS X so I cannot provide to you the full model.

In any case, some other users already compared their SSD models and the problem exists in every build.


I believe it's not a haswell mba issue cause it also happens in 2012 models.

Jan 6, 2014 4:25 PM in response to Sarguin

For those new to the discussion, here is a summary of what we know, compiled from the various threads that address this issue:


Every sign points to a software problem with Mavericks, not hardware.

- It didn't happen before Mavericks (people may have experienced crashes for several other reasons, but from experience this specific crash started with Mavericks).

- It is not specific to one chipset - it is happening on many different MacBook models.

- Replacing hardware makes no difference. Not one person has come back after a hardware replace and said this has fully fixed the problem.

- Other software/perhipherals do not affect this problem. It's an OS issue.


The one counter indicator is that some people have reported that a small number of machines in Apple stores appear to be immune to this issue. However I personally believe there's something else happening in the background on those machines. I do not believe there is such a thing as an "immune" computer, just computers that for some reason don't trigger at the time.


There are multiple threads dealing with this problem now, each with over 10,000 views: e.g. https://discussions.apple.com/thread/5548226


If someone does end up speaking to an Apple software engineer, the following may be of use.


There are two software "bugs" that are related to this issue:


1) There is a race condition in the shutdown/power up routine.


That's the technical programming term for these types of situations. Two or more bits of code are running and working off the same data. The race condition happens when either bit of code assumes that the data isn't going to change before the code is finished, but then the other code changes it anyhow. With low-level code race conditions usually lead to fatal crashes as the instruction table gets corrupted.


2) There is no end-user workaround as we've lost the ability to re-map the power button, or activate the "confirm" dialog that existed before Mavericks.


I've tried various software packages to do remapping - they don't work. They worked pre-Mavericks. I *think* the reason is that they might have changed the kernel code handling interrupts from the keyboard and other sensors. Meaning when you hit the button, very low level functions in the OS decide what to do - not the higher level user environment. They can't just "change it back" without potentially breaking other things. May have been an early design decision with Mavericks...


I came across this article recently: http://appleinsider.com/articles/13/11/01/mavericks-uses-ambient-light-sensor-da ta-to-detect-movement-delay-sleep-mode My hypothesis: they rewrote the way the kernel interacts with the SMC to take advantage of more sensor data to better manage battery life. Because there are so many sensors now (Ambient Light, Accelerometer, battery charge, etc.) the code has probably gotten complex.


My temporary solution is to tape a stiff piece of plastic (cut down from a SIM card holder or old credit card) over the button so that I can "flap it up" and hit it if I need to, but otherwise it mostly stops me from accidentally hitting the button instead of Delete. Obviously, this is not a long-term solution but might be a good stop-gap for some people.


My 2013 MBA is by far the best computer I've owned - hardware and software - in the 35 years I've been buying computers. I understand this issue frustrates people but I've had FAR worse problems with other machines from other vendors and even DIY machines. So don't throw the baby out with the bathwater if you've bought a new Apple and you otherwise like the machine!

I hope people find this information useful. The more informed we all can be when we do talk to apple the greater the chance of an eventual fix.

Jan 6, 2014 5:03 PM in response to Wes Sonnenreich

Wes, this is helpful but incorrect regarding Mavericks. I was having the exact issue for several months before Mavericks, and thought the upgrade might fix it. Which it did not. So while it might be an OS issue, and I don't doubt that's part of it, it never once happened on my MacBook Pro. And is has been happening from the beginning on my MacAir, which I purchased in July, right off the bat.

Jan 6, 2014 5:14 PM in response to Wes Sonnenreich

Wes I want to believe that I can't just "through away" this baby. We will see...


I've experienced the same issue but not in Mavericks:

I've tried to reinstall OS X Mavericks (restart -> press cmd+R -> Reinstall OS X). I was on Install OS X (v. 1.3.37) and while I was waiting for OS X Mavericks to be downloaded, I saw a Sleep sequence starting and without any thought I tried to prevent it. So I've ended up with a black screen and a crashed MBA. I repeated the Reinstallation of OS X and I had to download Mavericks again from the start. I took 4-5 steps away from my MBA to prevent my human nature from preventing a sleep sequence.

Now I'm waiting for the installation to end. I will try to reproduce it.

Jan 6, 2014 6:04 PM in response to jamesfromnashville

That is interesting - I was unaware that this exact issue also happened in 10.8.5 and potentially earlier. I personally didn't experience it as I trigger this issue by accidentally hitting the power button on my 2013 MBA. My older MBP has a flush power button that is impossible to accidentally hit.


So it is possible that this was actually introduced before Mavericks... however the newer keyboard design may be causing more people to experience it now. It doesn't change the nature of the issue, but might help pinpoint the problem for Apple engineers.


There is another point I'd like to mention: this is not a "complete" crash. I work with an external monitor. My laptop screen crashes and keyboard/mouse click input stops but I can move the mouse cursor and apps running on the other screen continue to run... I just can't control them. If I unplug and re-plug the external display it does not come back on. Someone else mentioend that they were able to continue to use Skype during this crash.


What that means is that it 'might' be possible to still log into the OS via SSH during the crash. I will test thist later today. If it is possible to access the system via command line it might be possible to shut down the machine "nicely". This might save some data loss. It also means it might be possible to write a script that can detect this crash and send a proper shutdown notice.


Will keep people posted...

Jan 6, 2014 10:49 PM in response to Wes Sonnenreich

Thx for this intensive study.


Another data point here:


  • I also didn't have this symptom on the Lion,
  • I at least witnessed 2 machines immune to this symptom. Wasn't able to kill no matter what, 2 of them were all 13" ....


First data convinced me that this is a software issue, but the second data tells me that this might be a quality control hiccups...

Jan 6, 2014 11:24 PM in response to kimgood

I had 2 MBAs that blacked out on me while I was working on it. When I returned the second misbehaving unit, I had a hard time debating whether to just exchange it for a MBP or give MBA a third chance. After all considerations, I realized that only MBA fits my needs perfectly and took a third replacement.

Now, it's been 2 weeks and it behaved perfectly. I could not invoke that blackout no matter how I tried. So, my take is that a few MBAs indeed have hardware problems, but many others are problem-free. For users who found MBA perfect for their needs, I would strongly recommend taking replacement offers from Apple.

Jan 6, 2014 11:34 PM in response to kimgood

I'm also had the problem while still on Lion.


Interesting about the external monitor still working. I don't usually work dual monitor, but if I have a freeze while in the office I can check whether SSH works.


If one of us does succeed in getting SSH access while in this state, any suggestions on forensic dumps to attempt? Most of the time, I'm willing to take some risks with data on the MBA since when I'm in the office I've also got an up-to-date Time Machine backup and my critical data files are on a separate server.

Jan 7, 2014 1:27 AM in response to Wes Sonnenreich

Hi Wes et al


This problem exists with the 2011, 2012 and 2013 MBAs (it happened to my own 2012 and 2013 models).


IT IS NOT A SOFTWARE ISSUE!


If a problem does not exist, manifests and becomes progressively worse, how is that software related?


It is a fundamental flaw in either the build or design, most likely a rouge supplier not meeting tolerances, or incorrect tolerance stack ups that were not considered during the SPC testing (Statistical Process Control).


As for hitting the delete key... I've had the crash occur when sitting reading text, not touching the machine. I've had it happen in the middle of a presentation whilst using a remote.


I returned mine for a refund as it was unfit for purpose.


I will not purchase another.


My 17" MBP has had a logic board failure after 18 months, so poor quality hardware seems to be consistent across the range.


Apple have a superb marketing division, selling overpriced poor quality products. Pity they don't run the design and production departments, they might actually work if they did.

MBA 13 Mid 2013 crash Black screen

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