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Tags and Network drives

Hello community....


I have a question for the TAGS in FINDER.


Is it possible that the tags are not working with network Drives? I can tag Picture on my synology nas but the finder

will not show them under the used Tag Colour ?


Would be a shame because 90% of my Data are not in the iMac....



Greetings again and thanks from Germany


christian

iMac, OS X Mavericks (10.9)

Posted on Oct 24, 2013 8:07 AM

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Posted on Oct 24, 2013 10:51 AM

I have the same problem.


To help rule out some of the options I thought I'd share my experiance:


I have confirmed that indexing is enabled on the file share using the terminal command:

mdutil -s /Volumes/smb2share

I tried rebuilding the index on the share (which is stored locally on each client machine) without luck.

mdutil -i off /Volumes/smb2share
mdutil -i on /Volumes/smb2share

Tags are searchable as they were in Lion using spotlight or with software like LEAP but do not appear in the new tag list / save dialog areas within 10.9.


I tried the above on both afp, smb and cifs (smb2) without luck.


Anyone got any other ideas / suggestions?


I store most of my files on a NAS like Christian.

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Oct 24, 2013 10:51 AM in response to RogueChristian

I have the same problem.


To help rule out some of the options I thought I'd share my experiance:


I have confirmed that indexing is enabled on the file share using the terminal command:

mdutil -s /Volumes/smb2share

I tried rebuilding the index on the share (which is stored locally on each client machine) without luck.

mdutil -i off /Volumes/smb2share
mdutil -i on /Volumes/smb2share

Tags are searchable as they were in Lion using spotlight or with software like LEAP but do not appear in the new tag list / save dialog areas within 10.9.


I tried the above on both afp, smb and cifs (smb2) without luck.


Anyone got any other ideas / suggestions?


I store most of my files on a NAS like Christian.

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Nov 7, 2013 1:55 PM in response to RogueChristian

I am also experiencing this and what I consider several very related issues with Spotlight indexing of SMB volumes and with Tags searching. Here is my setup and what I'm experiencing:


* iMac with Mavericks 10.9 (installed it over Lion 10.7)


* Mavericks is working very well and Spotlight indexing and Tags seem to work fine on local hard drive


* iMac is joined to a Windows Active Directory domain and my normal domain user account is not an admin.


* iMac can connect to and successfully use files on SMB file server (Windows Storage Server 2012).


* Note that I've used the smb:\\ protocol to connect to my file server and therefore am using the new SMB2 implementation


* Spotlight searching of my mounted SMB file share "/Volumes/sharename" does not return results of files


* I am able to Tag files on the file server and the Tag color dots do appear in Finder


* However, tagged files on the file server do not appear when using the instant Finder sidebar Tag query, nor do the appear when searching by tag in spotlight


* Per other suggestions, I ran: "mdutil -i on /Volumes/sharename" to turn indexing on on that share, but it failed to help. So, I then ran "mdimport /Volumes/sharename" and despite a few errors, it completed.


* After "mdimport /Volumes/sharename" command, I am now able to do Spotlight searches of my SMB share by filename only. Spotlight will still not find files based on words they contain (I'm mostly testing on PDFs so this should work).


* After "mdimport /Volumes/sharename" command, queries by Tag still do not return results of tagged files from the SMB share


Therefore, what I believe we are seeing is the same old problem where Spotlight does not index SMB shares at all by default, and not completely or consistently even after explicitly requesting it using "mdutil -i on /Volumes/sharename". Unfortionatly, there are hundreds of other Forum threads discussing this for years now (from Snow Leopard onward) with no real solution (I don't consider a third party application a good solution).


One thing that I'm not sure if it's contributing to the problem is that most comments suggest that mdutil and mdimport should be run using "sudo". However, I see a problem with that because most domain users don't have sudoers rights, and even if they did I'm not sure if the resulting indexing process would have the necessary permissions to access the files on the file share since the mount point owner is the normal user account that originally connected to it. So, it this a "catch 22"? Is sudo required to work with Spotlight indexing? And, if so, that user would typically be a local root or administritive account that would not have rights to connect to the SMB share and index the files.


Anyone else with thoughts on Spotlight indexing of SMB shares and as a result Maverics Tagged files not findable on those shares?


Thanks

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Nov 8, 2013 11:41 AM in response to RogueChristian

I am in disbelief that this problem still exists within Mavericks.


I have a Synology DS412+ with all my media on it and I can't

1, search for it because the drives need to be indexed. The index requires building each time you mount (which can be several times a day and we are talking about 8TB of data).
2, I cant use Tags. Simply one of the major reasons I got Mavericks. I assume we can't use Tags for the above reason regarding indexing.


Apple, you really need to address this as a priority. This is ruining using my mac.

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Nov 19, 2013 2:46 AM in response to RogueChristian

I think Johhny is right to be more than annoyed. Most professional users of Macs will have their files on an external server (I'm also on a NAS) and we don't update the OS and expect things to stop working as well as they were before. This is a major issue as far as I am concerned.


Obviously you are not effected by this "problem" as much as the rest of us are...or you "work" for Apple...

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Dec 19, 2013 7:28 AM in response to RogueChristian

We just updated all of our office macs to mavericks. The whole office relied on tagging files on our network drives. This was an important step in our workflow. Looks like we really cannot go on working with tags anymore because of apples failure to fix that. Please Apple get that fixed! Or is there an other solution out there yet? Any help is welcome!

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Jan 29, 2014 3:20 AM in response to Michael Rygaard

I Have ordered the new Mac Pro - but it really hurts that this is not workig - but i gues it does not matter if it does not work with my 8 TB of film clips from my iMac or from my Mac Pro 😝


But it REALLY should be fixed.. My Nas have 8 TB of film clips.... and I cant search what i taged them with 😟

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May 24, 2014 3:48 AM in response to RogueChristian

😕😢


The Third major Update for 10.9 and still the Tags are not working with NETWORK Drives. Are you even trying to solve the Problem?


Sorry Sorry but this is really one of your own KEY FEATURE of 10.9. and still is only working with files on the System Drives.


😮

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May 24, 2014 6:26 AM in response to RogueChristian

Does your network drive support the metadata in the resource forks of files? That's where the Tags are stored, not in the OS.


You can use mdls in the Terminal to show what metadata is stored on a file.

Type mdls <space> then drag in a file to examine.


Tags appear like this:

kMDItemUserTags = (

House,

Repair

)


Spotlight indexes the tags so that is also required for the OS to list them when selected in the sidebar.

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Jun 2, 2014 7:12 PM in response to Barney-15E

This is working for me with Spotlight configured to index the network drive.


I have a Macbook Pro 10.9.2 and a Synology DSM 5.0-4482. I have a share I'm connecting to and Synology shows I'm using AFP to do so.


If I select a file on the share in finder and open CMD-I, then add a tag called "test", entering "tag:test" in finder filters that view down to the file I just tagged only. MDLS on that file shows the tag under kMDITemUserTags.

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Jun 2, 2014 7:22 PM in response to zphelj

If I select a file on the share in finder and open CMD-I, then add a tag called "test", entering "tag:test" in finder filters that view down to the file I just tagged only. MDLS on that file shows the tag under kMDITemUserTags.

Are there any other files in that folder that are tagged with "test"? If not, that sounds normal.

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