Lacie disk on FW not sleeping after installing Mavericks

Only FW drives will shut down when Mac shuts down. (but will not sleep when Mac sleeps). USB drives sleep but will not power down when Mac powers down. For now a trade off what you want to happen.

Drives connected by USB behave completely normally for me. I think numerous others have also posted the same.

lcrooks wrote:

Drives connected by USB behave completely normally for me. I think numerous others have also posted the same.

Me too.

lcrooks wrote:

Why not schedule nightly shut downs? Better for your Mac and external disks. It's what

apple themselves do.

False. Power cycling increases "wear and tear" on your computer.

Anyway, I too hope Apple addresses this Firewire sleep issue soon.

According to both AE and apple that is absolutely untrue. That is their standard policy for all apple departments. They shut down computers nightly and AE stated this power cycling myth is exactly that...a myth.

What is "AE"?

lcrooks wrote:

According to both AE and apple that is absolutely untrue. That is their standard policy for all apple departments. They shut down computers nightly and AE stated this power cycling myth is exactly that...a myth.

There are many reasons as to why a company may institute such as policy. Sleep does use a small amount of power, so my guess would be that requiring the entire company (running thousands of computers) to power down at night may lend towards significant utility savings over the course of a year.

But in regards to wear-and-tear, it's a well-known and established fact that regular complete power-cycling will shorten the lifespan of a computer (as well as many other forms of electronics). But debating such is a moot point as most consumers prefer to sleep their computers. It would be preferable for Apple to properly support sleep state for all of it's computing products, including Firewire-enable units it was selling to customers less than a year ago.

Apple engineers have provided data that shows regular shut downs actually prolong both computer and drive life. I find it incredible that their are still people out there that believe in the total myth of power cycling. You should spend 5 minutes and give AE a call - you will learn quite a bit about regular upkeep of your Mac.

lcrooks wrote:

Apple engineers have provided data that shows regular shut downs actually prolong both computer and drive life.

Can you post links? I've never heard of this.

And again, what is "AE"?

lcrooks wrote:

Apple engineers have provided data that shows regular shut downs actually prolong both computer and drive life.

There are no support documents stating such. And with features like the aforementioned "Power Nap," Apple is clearly pushing for consumers to sleep their devices (as opposed to shutting down) more than ever before. Again, (staying on topic) all the more reason to make sure the OS properly supports sleep functionality.

Rather than quoting nonsense why don't you spend 5 minutes and give AE a call and learn something?

What is "AE"?

Apple Enterprise

Whether or not sleep versus a full off/on power cycle presents less/more wear on a machine is tangential to this whole thread. The thing is sleep is there. Many people choose to use it. On any other operating systems I have used that offer that feature, it works. On Mavericks, it doesn't. With the 10.9.2 release on my 2009 iMac in fact, I consider myself lucky to get the machine to sleep at all. Usually now it infuriatingly insists upon waking immediately after it goes to sleep.

Mavericks has just become so painful to use. Decide I need access to Firewire drives. Power on drives, wait for them to mount. Use. Remember to eject drives if I am going to be away from computer for an extended period of time. Put computer to sleep. Wait for it to sleep (and why it now takes 40-50 seconds to sleep under Mavricks vs. almost immediately under SL is beyond me), watch it probably wake up immediately, and then shut it down and realize I'l have to wait the extra time for it to boot the next time I use. Just a real barrier to use.

No version of Windows I ever used stopped supporting a widely used interface without advertising that it was being deprecated and every version actually stayed asleep once put to sleep. For me, Mavericks is one big fail.

lcrooks wrote:

Apple engineers have provided data that shows regular shut downs actually prolong both computer and drive life.

Without knowing the context in which this statement was made, it should not be considered as a generality. A machine is not an animal nor a human being that gets tired from an effort and needs to recover. A machine is designed to run. Some machines are designed with a limited expected life time - MTBF as we say in the industry (Mean Time Between Failures). The pratice in the electronic components manufacturing is to design parts with the highest MTBF.

You should keep in mind that there is a greater risk in shutting down / powering up a machine : Thermal stress. Repeated heat-up / cool-down cycles are reducing the expected life time of a machine (lowering MTBF) considerably.

If you shutdown and restart your hard drives 10 times a day, you're killing them much faster than letting them spin 24/7. However, if your harddrive is not packged to dissipate the heat it generates, then a lengthy running time may cause abnormal wear because of a too high operating temperature. Computer rooms are "chilly". Need a jacket to get in.

On my desk is a 16 years old Pentium 2 Linux computer ... still humming with its original drives in. It's shutdown only when I move to another cubicule.

However, at home, we like that the family iMac becomes totally silent when not used by a family member. I now regret having upgraded it to Maverick lately.