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Slow boot on Mac Pro

I've got a mid-2010 Mac Pro that has a very long boot time. Here is what it is doing:


Power on

Blank screen for 35 sec then boot sound + grey screen

At 1 minute I get the apple

At 1:10 get the spinning circle

At 1:39 get the login icons


This seems far far to long for this machine. It has awesome specs so I would think it is a lot faster:


2x6 core CPU's

96GB RAM

1TB SSD boot drive

12 TB internal stripped volume

Two ESATA cards with 5-bay Drobo's on it

Whatever fast video card they came with by default


I've tried reducing the ram to 64GB (which was once the source of a problem with an OS upgrade).

I've disconnected the ESATA drives.

I've removed the ESATA cards.

I've reset the PRAM

I've reset the SMC


The ESATA cards in particular with the Drobo are VERY slow, so that is why I thought pulling them might resolve the issue (they don't have great support in the Mac Pro, but they do work).


I'm at wits end here. This thing should scream. My MBP retina 15" with SSD boots very fast and I would have expected the Mac Pro to boot similarly fast.


The SSD is attached to the same cable that the DVD-RW drive is on (i.e. that cable has two heads and the SSD is on one of them). Could this be the issue?


Any help?

Posted on Oct 25, 2013 5:18 PM

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Feb 20, 2014 7:27 PM in response to Grant Bennet-Alder

I tried every possible combination of boot devices and device locations. I hung both an ordinary hard drive and an SSD off the SATA chain that feeds the DVD drive, as well as the drive bays. In all cases, my boot times was extraordinarily slow. SSD vs HD made zero difference.


In my case anyways, I don't think this is an issue with the boot device per se, but something else that is affecting the boot process. But I've tried lots of combnations of changing other things, like removing PCIE cards, switching the memory configuration around, etc. Nothing made a lick of difference. My system just seems to take a minute an a half before it starts doing anything.

Feb 20, 2014 9:05 PM in response to NOYBUS

Go back to basics if you're really focused on this, remove everything except stock GPU/RAM (maybe) and only a single HD that you'll clean install a fresh OS (definitely), do not migrate anything at this point. Let the machine boot, leave it in for 10 minutes so spotlight can finish and run both a PRAM and SMC reset. Give it a couple of restarts and report back times.

Feb 24, 2014 7:06 AM in response to NOYBUS

Just found this thread in a Google search.


I've been having similarly long boot times, thought I haven't pulled out the stop watch.


Mid 2010 MacPro 8-Core (Mavericks OS X 10.9.1)

96GB Samsung RAM (1066MHz DDR3)

OS X boot drive: Mercury Accelsior (240GB) PCIe SSD (2x120GB RAID-0)

Win 7 boot drive: Samsung 840 EVO (250GB) in lower optical drive bay

Drive bays 1-3: 6GB (3x2GB) RAID-0 Array (File Server)

Bay 4: 2GB (for select rsync backups from files server)

CalDigit USB3+eSATA card

ATI Radeon 5770


PRAM, SMC resets have not produced any imporvements. I'm thinking there is something witht the EFI... most of my wait time at boot is with the spinning wheel at the Apple logo screen.


I'd swear that Win 7 boots faster... Any Ideas??

Feb 24, 2014 8:21 AM in response to gaukler

gaukler-


Your setup is interesting, but a little troubling. (RAID 0 striped Boot Drive on two SSDs)


RAID, when used on Rotating drives, gets its speedup from overlapping seeks on two drives. Later blocks in the file (that were not already in the drive cache from the initial read) are provided more quickly because the third and subsequent seek on the same file is overlapped.


• When the drive latency is very low (as with SSD drives) the payback from striped RAID is small.


• This speedup only happens when Large files are being read (larger than twice the size of a Track, more than about 30 blocks), and no other intervening requests for different files occur in the interim. Operating System accesses do not follow a pattern that gives good speedup.


• Striped RAID on the Boot drive precludes a Recovery_HD on that drive. (That is acceptable as long as you have one somewhere else.)


• RAID on an SSD Array precludes the use of TRIM. This means your SSD may be drowning in Deleted Data, slowing you down.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TRIM


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It would be better to boot your Mac from a single SSD, and use that SSD RAID array for scratch data, where accesses would be to large single files and you would get maximum speedup.

Feb 24, 2014 9:11 AM in response to gaukler

Must be those GB drives you are still using ;-)


1-3: 6GB (3x2GB) RAID-0 Array (File Server)


PCI SSD cards have been known to add substantially to boot times.


I have Sonnet Tempo SSD - and it does not though. I also have Samsung 840 and 840 EVOs.


an SSD RAID, might if you must just JBOD to have a larger volume, in fact putting the system on native SATA II drive bus is absolutely fine. Best policy use for PCIe SSDs come with scratch, lightroom, aperture, audio - all data type. You can boot from one, but do you need 500GB? The 840 EVO 750GB is $399, $299 for 500GB. Usually happens when you have a lot of plugins and using boot drive for scratch and/or for data.


One person found that using TRIM Enabler 3.x made dramatic improvement in IO, esp. writes. The EVO series are also better designed and tuned.

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