Mac slow after installing Maverick

Yes Linc

You had a surly go at me for rejecting your advice. Please dont waste everyone's time with senseless suggestions. I know you want to accumlate points and maintain your level10 listing, but soon you wil be known as a uselsss assistant and you will slide as you are eclipsed by people giving helpful hints.

Apple

Come on guys, admit it, you have stuffed up. Give us a fix or a safe quick way out of your fiasco O/s. Or are you wanting to take over head of the arrogance league from Microsoft?

Robgee99 wrote:

Yes Linc

...I know you want to accumlate points and maintain your level10 listing, but soon you wil be known as a uselsss assistant and you will slide as you are eclipsed by people giving helpful hints.

That's unwarranted. Once you reach level 10 it's for life, even if you never receive another point.

I'm not necessarily a Linc fan, but hundreds of users have been helped by him compared to the few that can't get by his attitude, and there are certainly few that can claim to have even a fraction of the knowledge of OS X and Mac computers that he does. When you have spent anything close to as much time in the troubleshooting business as he has then I'll certainly welcome your "helpful hints" back here.

And don't waste your time ranting to Apple here as I doubt they are paying any attention to this thread that has gone on far too long. They should definitely hear what you have to say but use the established systems for communicating your issues. Either give them Feedback or sign up for a free developer account and submit a Bug Report. Lots of us have had excellent results by doing this.

One last thing. Apple's TOS which allow us to use this forum require all of us to "Be Polite". If you insist on pursuing your current rants, I suspect the host will remove them and/or ask you to leave.

Nicholas Loisos wrote:

I ran permission repair cleaned everything with MacKeeper but I keep getting the beachball and Mail just hangs!

MacKeeper?!

Opinion around here is divided on that piece of software - it has a habit of adding lots of 'cleaning' & 'maintenance' background jobs that simply are not necessary.

See if you can find any good reasons for running it, search the threads here for the info. Aside from the ability to remove old software I cannot see any reason for it. Ensure it is up to date if you must run it, 10.9 breaks with old software (once again, see the countless posts here) post an EtreCheck report if you think you could have migrated a lot of old cruft.

http://etresoft.com/etrecheck

Have been long absent from this thread because of all the provacative bickering, but now that you revealed that you have MacKeeper on your system, in additon to you searching the forums here about the mostly negative feedback about MacKeeper, I'll add my own comments, again, about MacKeeper and apps like or similar to it.

Apps like MacKeeper or any other maintenance apps like CleanMyMac 1 or 2, TuneUpMyMac or anything like these apps, installed on your Mac, these types of apps, while they appear to be helpful, can do too good a job of data "cleanup" causing the potential to do serious data corruption or data deletion and render a perfectly running OS completely dead and useless leaving you with a frozen, non-functional Mac.

Plus, these type of apps aren't really necessary. They really aren't.

MacKeeper may have done damage to your system that you are not immediately aware of.

There are manual methods to clear off unnecessary data off of your Mac that are safer and you have complete control over your Mac and not just leave a piece of auto cleaning software in charge of clearing off data off of your Mac.

These apps have the potential of causing OS X issues that outweighs the implied good and benefits these types of hard drive or memory "cleaning" apps are implied or written to do.

Plus, the software companies that write these apps make it hard to easily uninstall these apps if something DOES go wrong and these apps work in a way where you have no recovery or revert function to return your Mac back to its former, working state in the event something does go wrong.

If an app doesn't have an easy and direct way to be able to uninstall, it is an app that should be avoided and not even considered for download, installation and use.

It is best to never, EVER download and install these types of apps.

The risk to your system and data is too great a risk!

Here's how to properly uninstall MacKeeper.

http://www.macexpertguide.com/2012/11/16/uninstall-mackeeper-2012-2011-mac/

Thank you MichelPM for your analysis of the issues that might exist reguarding Mackeeper. I will take your suggestions under consideration and though I could launch into a conversation about MKer, I''l try to stick to the point of the conversation: The fact remains that I have used Mackeeper for many months on this computer without being able to detect any adverse consequence to any function. The fact remains that my "portable" as we say in Macspeak, worked fine and actually improved performance after running the dreaded program whereas the moment after I installed Mavs, it was like I put the wrong octane in my racecar! Why is there a focus on blaming everything but the actual perpetrator, why is everyone looking away from the elephant in the room? What I find even more troubling is the fact that this problem is not new and yet to my knowledge Apple has been silent about it. It bodes ill that there is a fix on the way because there should already have been one. If anyone has anything to add that might help me reguarding Mavs, I'd really appreciate it. As for MKer, will follow Drew Reece's advice and look into MKer problems and then decide if I should dump it, but as far as I can see, logic dictates i focus on the actual problem: the new OS, unless of course the problem is a direct conflict of this App on this OS! I thank you both for your advice.

Nicholas Loisos wrote:

Linc,

It seems that most if not all -except yours of course- computers are slow as a direct consequence of installing Mavs. No drives are failing or any other crap. Its just the OS. That's the problem!

Why aren't all Mavericks users seeing this? "Most if not all"??? Where do you get those figures from. From the many many millions running Mavericks? Or just the few complaining about it on troubleshooting forums (and many have found their cause and have Mavericks working as it should)

Pete

This comment from an Apple Tech just poped up today, for what it's worth: Re: mac keeper?

Pete,

Thank you for your useful reply. Seems you missed the point that MANY are sufferiing and many more that are not visible to you and me on this site, so please spare comments that have nothing to offer. I'm looking for a solution not an argument.

As for: "Found their cause"??? The cause is Mavs!! That's what this is all about and we're all complaining because the computer worked fine before but not after installation!!! You, like others, continue to refuse to face facts... but I'm not surprised. Are you threatened by this? why? I don't want or like what's happening. I'm looking for a solution and so far everyone, including you refuse to accept the obvious!

Thank you all for scaring the bejesus out of me. I'm now copying the entire HD onto and external disk so that I can proceed to remove MacKeeper before it kills the Mac volume, if it has not already been poisoned. I still remain unconvinced that its MK's fault but I'm not taking any chances since Timemachine seems to not be an appropriate method to fix to the problem, as suggested. It still remains a mystery, however that I had no problems before Maverick's and just after, ALL processes slowed down. I still have some investigating to do per previous persons' replies, for which, I appreciate, so I may be upset about the answers, yet you guys seems caring enough to help and for that I am grateful.

Interesting development:

My own computer will not allow me to copy my own files to another drive because "I don't have these priveledges" even though I am sole administrator of the machine!!! You can't win for losing!!!

Nicholas, no one has said that MacKeeper is the cause of all your 10.9 woes, but we have tried to explain that 10.9 seems to perform badly with certain apps (specifically older apps that load into the system). If you want to see them look at an EtreCheck report.

You seem convinced that the issue is 10.9 alone, if that is the case the resolution is simple - revert to whatever version you were using prior to 10.9 (reverting may be a very involved process). You are left not knowing why 10.9 was slow for you and you may hit the issue again if you wait for the next 'point release' to upgrade to 10.9.

If 10.9 was a complete train wreck we would all be agreeing, but that isn't our experience. I personally have watched 10.9 run fine on a 2009 iMac with 4GB of RAM & a spinning HD. It can work as well as any previous OS, even on older hardware.

This leads us to the conclusion that your Mac is running something that we are not running, or that there could be hardware differences or issues that new OS's expose.

P.S.

If you are attempting to copy system files for a backup please don't use Finder. Use CarbonCopyCloner, Super Duper!, or even Disk Utility (it will clone entire disks). It will use your admin status to copy the files correctly. Using Finder by hand is not the best way to copy large amounts of data, especially if the permissions are restricted.

Nicholas Loisos wrote:

My own computer will not allow me to copy my own files to another drive because "I don't have these priveledges"

It's not unusual to see that happen.

• Click on the icon for the other drive and select "Get Info..." from the Finder's File menu or type command+I.
• At the very bottom of the window there should be a check box next to "Ignore ownership on this volume"
• First click on the little padlock to the upper right of this option and enter your admin password.
• Now check the box and dismiss the window to be able to do whatever you need to with that drive.
• 

Thanks MM0,

A small detail that I knew about but did not recall at critical time; never had to use but oh so important. Not a good time for me now if you followed the thread. I'm hoping the Mac HD is still in good shape as i am in Greece for an unspecified time and there is no Apple store here, though there is an affiliated store that I'd go at last resort. Perhaps I can scan the drive and see if its healthy. Any suggestions what I should use for this? thanks! 🙂

Nobody used those exact words but several did say exactly that in other words!

My convictions are simply based on the fact that things were fine until the upgrade, so cause and effect no matter what the drive is packing. i don't beleive in gremlins but as u said the upgrade could have exposed something; still that seems like a awful lot of bad luck!.

As for reverting back, its easy to say but from the directions given to someone else here, very tough thing to accomplish because it's complicated, rife with pitfals and you will not know how successful til ur done downgrading and what happens if it doesn't work??? Toast comes to mind. Anyhow, i have uninstalled Mackeeper and am making a disk image of the entire drive on an external disk just in case, but its taking hours and hours, perhaps even 24 of them!

Yeah, thanks for the CCC and SD backup software idea. I have the former one but since TM other backups have languished and again it did not come to mind....I have not listened to Adam on the Maccast for a good long time, if u know what i mean.

Nicholas Loisos wrote:

Perhaps I can scan the drive and see if its healthy. Any suggestions what I should use for this? thanks! 🙂

If the drive's built-in S.M.A.R.T. firmware has already detected a problem, then SMART Utility does arguably the best job of analyzing the readings and letting you know it's status. DriveDx is an alternative that some users have found useful, but I've not used it enough to judge for myself.

If you find you need to do a surface scan and can afford to erase your drive, then you can try Disk Utility Erase with the Security Option set to write zeros, but I think I mentioned before that you may have to check the log to see if it found and spared any bad blocks.

I own and have used both TechTool Pro and Drive Genius to do surface scans in the past and both do a good job of that task and a whole lot more, but are proportionally more expensive.

If anything tells you that it found a bad block but all the spares were used, you need to run to the nearest electronics store for a replacement as it has already failed to some extent and will probably be a total loss soon.