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Macbook Pro Retina 13" late 2013 (Haswell) UI Lag

My config: 2.6/16/256, 10.9 (Mavericks)


NOTE: Outside of the issues mentioned, this computer has been great. Awesome build quality, perfect size and weight, Retina screen is outstanding, CPU is snappy, boot and wake from sleep is blazing, it makes ZERO noise, even under heavy usage it only gets mildy warm and it gets great battery life.


Here's my problem: While the machine is wonderful in many aspects, it is far from the smooth experience we have come to expect from Apple products. As mentioned in the title, the UI is a step behind and the smooth transitions of non-retina models are stuttery a jerky on the retina.


Some examples of UI issues that I've replicated on floor models at the Apple store are:

1. Putting certain stock apps in fullscreen show choppy animation (Finder, Safari, Chrome, Maps) while others are buttery smooth (iPhoto).

2. Mission control stutters occasionally (usually when one of the above offenders are open).

3. Preview of any large .jpg or RAW image will cause significant lag when putting it into fullscreen. It literally trips the entire way.

4. Swiping between full screen apps will cause light animation stutter.


To troubleshoot it, I've done a few things.


1. Brought it to the genius bar. They checked all of the harware and ran a number of other diagnostics (including resetting the PRAM). While they confirmed the issues I have mentioned, they told me to wait for a software update that will resolve them.

2. Tried things that others have reportedly worked for them: Deleting windowservers in Library, etc.

3. Downloaded "Display Menu" from the App Store so that I can manipulate resolution settings. Interestingly enough, Display Menu hasn't optimized all of their settings for Retina and choosing any stock settings (including best for retina 1280x800) lowers the overall image quality. When in Display Menu's version of 1280x800, all of the problems (outide of the preview issue) dissapeared. Animations were back to being buttery smooth. This leads me to belive that Iris isn't quite up the the task of Retina.


I'm hoping that Apple didn't purposely release these Pro's without considering the GPU's ability to offer a "smooth ride". Has anyone else experienced this? If it is indeed a driver issue, I hope that Apple addresses this sooner than later. Based off of forums from early 2013 rMBP owners, it doesn't look like that will be the case.


Are you experiencing this also and have you found any true solutions?

MacBook Pro with Retina display, OS X Mavericks (10.9), 13-inch 2.6/16/256

Posted on Nov 10, 2013 9:30 PM

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Jan 12, 2015 1:07 PM in response to nmdias

You can actually force to use discrete GPU with gfxcardstatus application. Did anyone try, does that fix the UI lag?


I have myself just purchased a MacBook with iGPU only and now considering to return and get with dGPU instead... or maybe different laptop altogether...


Anyway would be great to hear from mac owners with dGPU if forcing discrete chip solves it or at least improves it to some extent.

Jan 12, 2015 1:14 PM in response to introsuit

Bearing in mind that not all the lag issues in this thread are probably of the same issue, but in general, forcing discrete graphics can help the issue temporarily, but even that eventually lags as well. There is a third party application called 'gfxCardStatus' designed for this purpose and is quite useful. If you were just purchasing a new MacBook, I would hope that you don't have these issues, or that it is at least minor. My mid 2014 rMBP model seems to work perfectly, but the lag was so prevalent in the old one that I was forced to sell it because it was hampering my productivity.

Jan 12, 2015 2:08 PM in response to jesuis_danny

Yes I have just received my mid 2014 15" macbook. It's the one with iGPU only and UI performance is barely acceptable... Not really... It is worse on mission control, spaces, notifications swipes. Disabling transparency pretty much solves it, but that is sad that for high end laptop you have to disable default UI features to make it perform well.


I must say I am rather picky of UI smoothness, other random person might say that it runs fine. But I definitely notice that animations are nowhere near 60fps, sometimes better, sometimes worse, at average probably around 30fps, if that. maybe later i will fire up XCode's FPS measure tool to be objective.


I have read in other forums that users by forcing 750m chip are able to get perfectly smooth animations. If that really is the case then I would like to switch to dGPU macbook while i still can.

Jan 28, 2015 8:10 AM in response to pythogorian

I installed 10.10.2 and my first impression was that it was somewhat improved. But now that I try again I think it was just a placebo. What was for sure improved is switching between tabs in About This Mac, before it was really laggy, now it is perfectly smooth. Though that did not really matter to me or anybody really I think. it is overall UI animation in mission control, dock grid expand animations etc were the ones that were giving problems for most. And they feel similar as before. It could be slightly better, but hard to say. For now if I need smoother anims, I just disable transparency in Accessibility options and that helps a lot.

Jan 29, 2015 1:52 AM in response to RJPereira

No offense but sounds like bulshit to me.

I've done clean Yosemite reainstall twice to no avail.

The only only improve I notice is when I turn off the silly transparency.

Regardless all the hype-ups about the new OS, Yosemite is the shittest OS apple has ever released.

I'm sincerely surprised how slow and laggish a new macbook late 2013 can be. All I can do without ui lags is web browsing.

$1,500 for a laptop that cannot handle smoothly its own interface! Thats crazy. Im never buying Apple products anymore.

Its getting worse and worse with every software update.

Jan 31, 2015 6:05 PM in response to JovZun

SOLUTION:


So heres what fixed the problem for me. I had the exact same choppy animation and scrolling and what Ive come to find out that on some retinas its the low power graphic card thats causing it. Problem is this card is only suppose to be triggered when the laptop is not hooked to the charger (to conserve the battery) and apparently on some laptops the logic board is not aware when the cord is in that it needs to change the card its using so it continues to use the low power card. I know most of use would like to use the high power card at all times in this case and you can do that by:


going to Preferences/energy saver and unchecking "Automatic graphics switching"


After about 5 seconds everything started running smoothly including scrolling and animations.

Macbook Pro Retina 13" late 2013 (Haswell) UI Lag

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