Logic Pro X keeps crashing

My Logic Pro X continually crashes. Just shuts down without any seeming cause. Not just Logic Pro X crashes, but it instantly and simultaneously shuts down the iMac as well! I have every app turned off except for Logic Pro X but I also get (along with the "without-notice" crashes) some that say "System Overload". I do NOT have a lot of junk, nor do I have a lot of thins working in the backgorund. I thought Mavericks was supposed to "compress" memory and reduce the workload. Doesn't seem to work on MINE! I am running a brand new iMac with 8 Gb memory, so why all the crashing? It does save my work automatically when it dies, but this is crazy. I don't remember Logic Pro 9 EVER craashing. Any ideas of what is causing this. P.S. I am not the average idiot who doesn't have a shred of computer knowledge. I actually work on Macs and that's why this is such a mystery as to why Logic Pro X goes into sudden death every few minutes. Any ideas are welcome.

iMac, OS X Mavericks (10.9), Logic Pro X

Posted on Nov 13, 2013 11:10 AM

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Nov 28, 2013 6:17 PM in response to The Art Of Sound

I tested the memory with Memtest and it says the memory is OK. One other thougt is this... I had a look at Activity Monitor and was a bit concerned. Although I am not actively running any program, it sure seems like a LOT of things are running in the background and taking up memory. It appears roughly half or more of my 8 Gb of memory is being used and I haven't even opened an app yet. I'm thinking this is not quite right. I don't know what a lot of the stuff running is for though so I don't just willy-nilly go turning things off. Some things (ones I'm confident knowing what they do) will stop when I manually "quit" them, but are right back on with a reboot. Any way to shut stuff off permanently?

I did notice that Logic Pro X runs smoother with less stuff running... and either less or no crashes.

But then when Logic Pro X does crash, the report always says kernel panic. I do not however get any black screen that kind of shows the start button which used to occur during kernel panic on older Macs. I don't know if Apple did away with that screen or if I don't get it due to the computer shutting off instantly when Logic X crashes. Is it possible too that Logic Pro X is still buggy? If you look on the Mac App Store, there isn't a comment on there that doesn't claim bugs or crashes. Just wondering. I appreciate everybody's help on this issue and welcome any thoughts on this. Everything else seems to run OK except for Logic Pro X.

Nov 28, 2013 7:03 PM in response to Rick Sr

Well, I have been using LPX quite intensively with 10.9 these last 10 days in the studio and not one crash of any kind with the exception of a couple of Kontakt 5.3 crashes which NI are aware of and will be releasing another fix for shortly I understand.....


The thing is... Kernel Panics, as i said earlier, tend to be more hardware than software related but not always... so...


Can you cut and paste up the whole of the next crash log you get.. as that might give some clues as to the root cause...


Also, in Activity Monitor, if you sort by memory used (high to low) and then take a selective screenshot.. (CMD + 4)

and post that up.. again, that might be helpful if a chunk of your RAM is being used up before you do anything...

Nov 28, 2013 7:16 PM in response to Rick Sr

If you look on the Mac App Store, there isn't a comment on there that doesn't claim bugs or crashes. Just wondering.



If you read through the various threads here from people reporting crashes and serious bugs.. Most have turned out to be either..


In no particular order....


"User Error" (More often than not, related to not actually reading the User Guide!)


Failure to turn on all the Advanced features in LPX's preferences!


The use of cracked plugins.....and old AU plugins... that need updating...


Using incompatible with 10.8 (and now 10.9..) or otherwise buggy... drivers....


A hardware/software issue related to Fusion Drives and 2013 iMacs.. and CoreAudio itself


USB2 Audio/Midi interfaces and USB3 ports....


and so on...


There are a few missing features or things not working quite right.. but no real "Show Stopping" repeatable 'crash' bugs that I have come across that are actually caused by LPX itself...

Nov 28, 2013 9:24 PM in response to The Art Of Sound

That's good to know that LPX does is not as "buggy" as people think. And, using LPX in the studio every day, I can only say this is a rather recent development. (in the last month or two). I want to note that I was made aware of an update to my newer iZotope plugin Nectar2. I did the update this evening so haven't had time to use LPX with it installed. But guess what one of the issues the update fixes? Reported crashes due to a font issue. I will definately post my next crash and the list of "running" items from Activity Finder. Thanks for your time and input!

Nov 28, 2013 9:50 PM in response to Rick Sr

Rick Sr wrote:


That's good to know that LPX does is not as "buggy" as people think.


This is true, however... Logic is very elegant in almost every aspect except it's handling of errors, whether they they be internal bugs or problems with external software/drivers or even OSX itself. Logic tends to go off the deep end rather than exiting gracefully or giving an error message and letting the user exit. This is what gives users, especially new users the impression Logic is buggy. It's been especially bad at this since version 8. Honestly, Logic should not crash as much as it does if it encounters an error.


The other problem is Logic corrupts it's preferences files and this sometimes leads to corrupted projects.


As long as you have a clean system, up to date drivers, reputable 3rd party hardware and legit, up to date plugins you generally won't have problems... most new users don't have any of the above.

Nov 30, 2013 10:57 AM in response to The Art Of Sound

User Diagnostic Reports was greyed out so I was uable to locate any file such as the one you posted. Just more copies of the one I posted already. I pinpointed the time and there are many things at that time, but most just list a line or two, no big report. There are instances of reporting that Logic Pro X shut down, but that's all... nothing like the example you provided. More like Logic Pro X was just a victim of some other tragedy. There was a small bit if info listed in Console at the time of the crash (I only located it once though) regarding a USB 3 port at the time of the kernel panic. There is a repeated mention of something called iokit too at the same time as the crash, but I don't know what that file is. I do have a USB 3 external hard drive connected to the iMac. Any chance this is the cause? I'm going to unplug it now just to see. I have a ton of work ahead of me in Logic Pro X today, so it will give me a chance to give this idea a whirl, as I noticed you mentioned this in one of your posts to my dilemma here, but I'm not certain why. My Mac is USB 3 compatible of course, but is there some issue with it I'm not aware of? Again, any input you can provide is greatly appreciated.


Message was edited by: Rick Sr

Dec 2, 2013 12:03 AM in response to The Art Of Sound

I am using a USB 2 class compliant Audiobox USB from PreSonus. I'm not clear if you are asking whether the actual port on the iMac is USB 3 or if the PreSonus unit is connected that way. My iMac is a late 2012 and has USB 3 compatible USB ports. But the PreSonus unit is USB 2 only and using a USB 2 cable to connect to the iMac. Hope this info helps.

I also had a crash today and a User Diagnostic Report was generated listing Logic Pro X in a report akin to the example you sent. It's 30 some pages long though. Would you like me to post it all for you, or is there something specific you're wanting to see?

Dec 2, 2013 4:29 AM in response to Rick Sr

Please post all of it.. just in case... but I have to say I had a feeling you were going to say you had the USB2 class compliant AudioBox.... plugged into a USB3 port with OS X... as from what I have been involved with, with one of my clients.. he has the eact same interface and is having the exact same issues and Presonus are, at the moment.. not being helpful, claiming there is no current issue because their AudioBox is class compliant!


The problem seems to be that it is class compliant when plugged into a USB2 port but not so much when plugged into a USB3 port and when used with either 10.8 or 10.9... and at this time, there doesn't seem to be any resolution forthcoming from either Presonus or Apple for that matter...


However, yes, please post up that entire crash log just in case there is something else going on, that is causing the crashes but I have this sneaky ideas it will be a 'Thread Zero' crash and there will be little to go on to help identify the root cause of the crash.

Jan 19, 2014 9:39 PM in response to Rick Sr

I am also having this same problem. I noticed the problem when I installed an upgrade that the App Store recommended I install for Logic Pro X. The upgrade had a number of things that it addressed, but one of them was the new interface on the built-in EQ. I notice that my Logic Pro X only crashes when I'm using the EQ (dragging curves, etc). I don't think I've ever had the program crash on me otherwise. I have a feeling that this problem has something to do with this upgrade.


Is anyone else experiencing this same problem with the new EQ plugin? This could possibly narrow down the problem.

Feb 5, 2014 1:52 PM in response to Rick Sr

Unfortunately, I am in the same, currently sinking, boat.


My spec's: late 2012 mac mini (server grade)/ 256GB SSD/ 16GB RAM

Facts: running no other programs but LPX (latest version) + Mavericks (latest version)

Understood: Kontakt 5 has problems with Mavericks

Additional: the entire Creative Cloud suite was broken by Mavericks


The issues: (only midi related initially + Kontakt 5: plugs include NI 'Evolve', Symphobia, etc.)

-can record one track

-additional tracks either show but do not paly back or do not show a region once I have recorded them

-after setting up track one with a plug, switch to track two, record enable and begin to record track two

and first plugin has switched itself to another plugin

-quantizing a track throws everything around so I have to hand 'key' everything myself


Now issues with audio plugins:

-yesterday launched LPX using Guitar Rig 5; horrible buzzing after each stroke on the guitar; quit LPX; realunched and setup brand new project with GR5-buzzing stopped

-just launched LPX again today and message, first time ever shows up: the following NI plugins have

not passed the AU test: include, Guitar Rig 5, Absynth, Massive, etc.


Straight up, I realize that software companies who sit on their laurels knowing that a new osx is coming out and as a result, things break. But to have apple, who built the computer and designed the software not work...


Any insight would be very welcome here. Entire computer and software and plugs are sitting here doing nothing. I am not tech. I do not monkey around with the innards. I just turn it on to capture ideas. Have googled this to death and still nothing.


Thanks.


Brian

Feb 5, 2014 2:03 PM in response to BChaff

Brian,


Im using the latest versions of NI software successfully with LPX.... No issues here at all with validation...


Kontakt 5.3 has a couple of issues still when trying to load/exchange different sample sets if you do not stop playback in LPX...but NI are aware of this issue and are working on a fix for this...


However, the issues you are describing (failed validation) are not anything I have come across...


Suggestion: Uninstall and reinstall Your NI Plugins... and then only validate in LPX after you have authorized in NI's Service Center and run each of the NI plugins in standalone mode first (Something NI recommend under certain circumstances when there are validation/install issues)

Feb 5, 2014 2:16 PM in response to The Art Of Sound

AOS,


Thanks for the quick reply. I will try this. And I never change plugs on the fly like that. To me that seems like you are begging for trouble. I see you might want to quickly see if another sound better fits the idea but that seems entirely to demanding on the system.


There was a time when macs could really take it but those days are way past and these machines are just to sensitive an 'untuned.'


Mavericks came out too early and now they are a buggy Gates machine wrapped in a cadillac facade. I had to throw a brand new iMac 2012 back in through the apple front door because it wouldn't even run the bloated FCPX. so it is not just LPX. It is a computer manufacturer who seems incapable of designing and keeping a tight QC on their own software. I realize this may be strange to you but I assure you, I am far from the only one and all on different machines.


The thought of going back to pc's and cubase is ugly. And I have thought long and hard about Pro Tools since my newest interface came bundled with a lite version of PT.


Thanks again, I really appreciate your input, insight and time. I really dig apple for the same reason everyone does. Here's to hoping it works outl


Brian

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