Why does Logic 10 sound different to Logic 9 ? Logic 9 seems to be better....!?

He will not be surprised, and he won't do it. Just guessing.

LP X sounds different to LP 9 to some people because they believe it sounds different - to answer the original question.

Only actual proof will convince me otherwise.

Prove it.

I still don't believe you. Do a null test.

Why being such a D?

This is like a discussion between those who believe men are created from God and those who believe we're evolved from orangutans who needs scientific proof to make sense of things.

What ever happened to just thrusting your ears?

There IS "something" different with LPX sound wise.

I will try a null test later this week. However, it seems to me that the test is somewhat flawed because you have to bring the one track into the other software. The real test would be to run both sets of software simultaneously out of phase.

I played my samples without any plug ins from one software to the other. The differences were significant, not small. Logic X seems more "opaque" with less dimensional imaging in the upper transients. It doesn't sound bad, and characteristics are subjective. I see value in the sounds of both sets of software, but with 15+ years of classical ear training, 40+ years of professional audio engineering, having relative perfect pitch, and 9 music industry patents, to me the software sounds different.

Saying somebody is being a D reveals you are being an AH.

What happened to "trusting our ears" is that we know by now that even the most trained ears are (very) susceptible to perception bias. It is very hard to "unbelieve" a perceived difference, even though there is no difference.
Also, Logic doesn't have a sound engine, OS X has. There might be a difference between different versions of the OS, not Logic. Many people have installed Logic X shortly after upgrading their OS.
But again, only a null test is proof. Show me a null test between the two that, with all the right settings, doesn't null, and I'll be the first to eat humble dust. Or bite the pie, whatever.

It's a psychoacoustic anomaly known as the "Garageband Effect"

WinnKrozack wrote:

I will try a null test later this week.

OK, I'll await your findings.

WinnKrozack wrote:

However, it seems to me that the test is somewhat flawed because you have to bring the one track into the other software. The real test would be to run both sets of software simultaneously out of phase.

Hm, I don't get your objection. If the softwares are different, the only way to demostrate that is to use the exact same file(s) in both. And there's no need whatsoever to run both DAWs simultaneously and out of phase.

The fact that you say a null test is "flawed", is a bit odd, seeing that it is THE accepted way of asserting these things, any audio engineer can/will tell you that.

Even my wife, who doesn't play, could hear the difference, and preferred the sound of Logic 9 over 10. She was given option 1 and option 2. She took 2, which was Logic 9.

The last thing I want to do after spending almost 2 days loading Logic X, is not to like it. I spent the money and time to move forward and improve my rig. I don't have any reason to have any predjudices one way or the other.

I need to do more projects with X. At present, I see the value in the sound of Logic 9, and Logic 10.

Time will tell on this one.

CoinOP1 wrote:

This is like a discussion between those who believe men are created from God and those who believe we're evolved from orangutans

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No, this is nothing like that. Your analogy could not be more false. A magician is not the same as an engineer.

I respectfully disagree. I have been the Director of Research and Development at a major musical instrument company for 17 years, now for a total of 25 years. You need to go through the entire playback chain of each software, not just the track files. In my opinion.

The most important issue is to make beautiful music. Logic 10 is a great tool to make great sounding music. Logic 9's history speaks for itself.

When it comes to making things sound good, the guy is more important than the gear.

I'll let you know how it works out long term.

I am just a nobody from the Netherlands, but I am unimpressed by and sceptical of your superachiever-claims. With your cv, you should have a wide network of professionals that can back you up. And you should know better.