How to remove dropout jeep

Jesusv87 wrote:

The NSA has always been out there watching and listening. Why is any of this a big surprise? If you are doing illegal things then you should avoid the internet and phones. I know people worry about their privacy but what do you have to hide? If the government wants to see my rear end when I'm in the bathroom with my phone then so be it. I don't care.

What's 100 times more horrible than the actual survillence itself is this kind of shocking attitude. I thought one of the ideological basis of the foundation of the United States is "never trust the government" which is crucial to any modern democracy? Now probably that's just a fairytale anyways.Read some Soviet Union or Chinese history, and see if you continue like this? It's not a matter of whether you "do illegal things". It's a matter of millions of innocent people suddenly disappearing and dying without even knowing why(probably just secretly uttering one sentence of complaint about the government). As a Chinese I know human socieities are capable of doing things much worse than 1984. What happened in China 40 years ago was far more ridiculous than that. If everybody thinks in your way then the end of our democracy and freedom is only a very short matter of time.

Lawrence Finch wrote:

Albatrosser wrote:

Sorry, but that is a load of ... The ONLY way of having any real chance of being in control of your own device is to at least have full access rights to the OS and the files. Without that you are driving blind, and have to be a man of faith, not of science.

I guess you didn't actually read what I wrote. Even if you DO have full access rights to the OS and files you are driving blind when it comes to malware. You have to be a man of faith, not of science in either case.

If we assume for one second that your argument made any sense whatsoever Then all antivirus-software, security software or governments own efforts to secure employees phones, would be in wain and it would not matter to you if you choose android, iOS, Windows, Linux or OSX from a security standpoint as you will have to resort to "faith" whichever you choose, if your firm belief is that malware is impossible to detect.

Do you honestly think the US government officials would use any phones themselves with a file-system US government was not granted access to?

Yes, government officials do use iDevices. And Apple wouldn't care if they didn't.

You cannot grasp the concept that the blocked file management access is part of the security design for iOS that Apple instituted. If they change this it not only gives you access to the file system it gives others who want to put malware on your system access to the file system making the iPhone less secure, not more secure.

This is not going to change. No matter how many posts you place here it is not going to change. If you cannot accept the way Apple handles security with iOS then you need to purchase a different device.

Or is that too complex for you?

AnonJ wrote:

Why nobody ever paid attention to this post, which IMO is a quite reasonable take on the matter:

The program DROPOUT JEEP is irrelevant in the year 2013. The NSA has a data hub that was turned on this year in Utah, that gives them the ability to intercept, record, and store every phone call, voicemail, text message, or email that is sent or made in the US. So they dont need to hack into anyones devices. They went above and beyond any devices security measures. So as far as DROPOUT JEEP goes, I wouldnt even begin to worry about such a miniscule project. There are far bigger worries than software aimed at a single user device. Think about a data storage facility that is 40 football fields of square area.

Or is because it's not newsworthy anymore, now this is already a well-known(and even accpeted by many?) fact? Horrible.

Not really . I think they are just trying to downplay the weakness of a closed system that leaves the user defensless against spying software, like iOS here. The governments wet dream is complete control over the client. (keyloggers and such, easy access to all passwords, private-keys etc.). There is still not easy even for the government to decrypt real strong encryption, so intercetping stuff att the phone/computer before it is encrypted and transmitted is far more convenient and complete.

deggie wrote:

Yes, government officials do use iDevices. And Apple wouldn't care if they didn't.

You cannot grasp the concept that the blocked file management access is part of the security design for iOS that Apple instituted. If they change this it not only gives you access to the file system it gives others who want to put malware on your system access to the file system making the iPhone less secure, not more secure.

This is not going to change. No matter how many posts you place here it is not going to change. If you cannot accept the way Apple handles security with iOS then you need to purchase a different device.

Or is that too complex for you?

Please start by reading the TOU, before making statements about what is to complex or not for me.

The German government have for example banned iPhones, Why is that do you think?

Do you think they felt iPhone with the closed model was "too secure" for them to use???

I am pretty sure one of the requirements for Apple to get deal with US Government is to provide them with full access to the files and software of the phones. Would you argue otherwise?

Has the German government banned everyone in Germany from using them? Do you have a cite for this?

No, there is no government requirement to have total access the system software, not even for computers they use. The US government has probably bought more iPads than anyone else.

Again, opening the system software files, including copyrighted and patented material, does not make a device more secure it makes it far less secure. As someone else posted here even Google with Android does not allow all of their system software to be accessible.

Linux and other open source variants of Unix are the only OSes I know of that provide full source code access. Linux also has some trouble with viruses/spyware, etc. because of this, unless you are an experienced user and know how to lock it down.

So, to make it clear:

1. Apple has designed an entire security environment for iOS that includes a closed file system and sandboxing. This approach is far more desirable, and recommended by security experts, rather than an open system and relying on 3rd party software to scan for infections. And 3rd party scanning software would not work on iOS unless Apple removed sandboxing from the OS.

2. Apple is not going to change the entire design for anyone.

3. This is a user-to-user support site so none of us could make Apple change it.

4. Apple's executives do not read this site.

5. You can send feeback directly to Apple here: http://www.apple.com/feedback/iphone.html

6. Android uses a more open OS (although not full open) so you can use their devices if you want an open file system. Maybe that is what Germany uses.

7. Posting here is pointless, can you understand that now?

deggie wrote:

Or is that too complex for you?

It is too complex for the poster to understand. He or she is posting from ignorance of IT security principles, government classification, what is possible technically, what is desirable technically, or perhaps is just trolling. I've given the individual the benefit on the doubt on trolling, but as this goes on I'm not so sure anymore.

The answer is that there is no way to tell if your phone has been hacked by NSA, and that even if you had access to the internals finding anything in over 1 GB of binary code would be an impossible task.

The best argument that your phone does not have an NSA hack is that they don't need it; they can already see everything that you do on the phone just from monitoring the voice, text and data traffic going to and from it. Which they claim they can do and I believe. But they can do that with any phone, not just iPhones, so the only way to avoid the NSA is to use 2 tin cans and a string. And even that can be hacked using laser tools.

That's all I'm going to say on this question. The question has been completely answered many times in this thread. I suspect the reason the hosts tolerate it is that it keeps the kooks busy so they don't waste people's time in other threads that are actually solving people's problems.

Albatrosser wrote:
The German government have for example banned iPhones, Why is that do you think?

Dunno.

Why is this?

Keep in mind that most of what the NSA has, was handed over to them by the Bundesnachrichtendienst.

-> http://endthelie.com/2013/08/05/german-minister-calls-on-secret-service-to-expla in-complicity-in-nsa-snooping/

-> http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/oct/04/german-intelligency-service -nsa-internet-laws

Seems ridiculous to me to argue that the iphone must be "jailbroken" in order to be vulnerable.

the fact that they CAN ben jailbroken shows vulnerablity.

Kel.mgk wrote:

Seems ridiculous to me to argue that the iphone must be "jailbroken" in order to be vulnerable.

the fact that they CAN ben jailbroken shows vulnerablity.

Jailbreaking must be done with possession of the device. It cannot be done remotely, or without the user's authorization.

Does the fact that a car can be hotwired if you have access to the car show that the car is vulnerable?

Name me a single electronic device that can't be modified if you have actual, physical possession of the device.

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deggie wrote:

Has the German government banned everyone in Germany from using them? Do you have a cite for this?

No, there is no government requirement to have total access the system software, not even for computers they use. The US government has probably bought more iPads than anyone else.

Again, opening the system software files, including copyrighted and patented material, does not make a device more secure it makes it far less secure. As someone else posted here even Google with Android does not allow all of their system software to be accessible.

Linux and other open source variants of Unix are the only OSes I know of that provide full source code access. Linux also has some trouble with viruses/spyware, etc. because of this, unless you are an experienced user and know how to lock it down.

So, to make it clear:

1. Apple has designed an entire security environment for iOS that includes a closed file system and sandboxing. This approach is far more desirable, and recommended by security experts, rather than an open system and relying on 3rd party software to scan for infections. And 3rd party scanning software would not work on iOS unless Apple removed sandboxing from the OS.

2. Apple is not going to change the entire design for anyone.

3. This is a user-to-user support site so none of us could make Apple change it.

4. Apple's executives do not read this site.

5. You can send feeback directly to Apple here: http://www.apple.com/feedback/iphone.html

6. Android uses a more open OS (although not full open) so you can use their devices if you want an open file system. Maybe that is what Germany uses.

7. Posting here is pointless, can you understand that now?

1. No,that is not desirable for people concerned with their privacy, if it does not come with any option to validate your claims.

2. If Apple has their head up their. Then I am sure we will be many people avoiding these phones not respecting our own right to privacy and control.

3. But still, You are telling me you know exaclty what Apple is going to do or not do do Even though you are just a user, like the rest of us.

4. They should. And how do you know what they read or don't read? Do you have Jeeper on their phones?

5. Maybe this hosted support site could just be shutdown, if it is useless.

6. Yes, that is what was selected by the German government. it just feels stupid of Apple to be ignorant of concerns about privacy. It's sad.

7. If you are correct that this forum is not supposed to provide any value for Apples customers, then you are right. It is a completely pointless forum.

Honestly the attitude here, which most likely is backed by Apple (judging by the moderation), is scary, and depressing.

P.S this post was deleted by unkown reason. I hope the one doing this next time will show me the courtesy of mailng me what parts of the TOU this violated that the post i responded to did not.

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Albatrosser wrote:

7. If you are correct that this forum is not supposed to provide any value for Apples customers, then you are right. It is a completely pointless forum.

You don't listen do you? You've been told more than once that these forums are for discussion and troubleshooting of technical issues. They are not for whining and complaining like a little baby about Apple and what the might have or have not done. Therefore Deggie was correct when he told you that posting here was popointless. So if you're having trouble with your iPhone, please state the issue and someone will be sure to try and help. Otherwise shut up and get lost.

not really, just very limited with an uncertain result...