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I have a Powerbook G3 Wallstreet and want to upgrade the Ram.

I recently bought an old Powerbook G3 Wallstreet. But it has some issues with booting up.

It doesn't boot up everytime... I can hear the start sound, but only sometimes the harddrive starts spinning.


So my idea was that maybe one ram module is broken...

But I don't know if the Ram I want to use is compatible with my Powerbook model.



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There were 2 Ram modules installed:


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And this is the one I want to insert. I took it out of an old Microsoft machine (gericom).User uploaded file




Maybe anyone can help me... or has an other solution for this booting problem.

PowerBook, Mac OS 9.2.x, G3 Wallstreet

Posted on Jan 4, 2014 11:20 AM

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Posted on Jan 4, 2014 1:35 PM

The SO-DIMM that you want to use shouldn't cause any problems, even though it's the faster PC-133 SDRAM. It should downclock to your PowerBook's slower bus speed. Judging by the shadow (or lack thereof) under each memory module in your photos, the upper SO-DIMM is undoubtedly the original Apple-installed 4-chip, 64 MB module. The "Power Ram" appears to be a 16-chip, 128 MB module, while the Nanya is an 8-chip, 256 MB module. What this means is that each of these SO-DIMMs has a chip density that differs from the other two. The Power Ram's chips have the smallest density, the SEC's chips have slightly greater density, and the Nanya's chips have the greatest density. I always felt that optimal performance in those older Macs was achieved by attempting to match chip densities. I would never have used an original (8-chip) 32 MB DIMM with a newer (16-chip) 256 MB DIMM in one of my desktop or mini-tower G3s. While you'll have 64 or 128 MBs less of total memory installed, I'd prefer to use the Nanya SO-DIMM by itself. If you really need additional memory, you could install the original Apple (SEC) module, but I wouldn't.


As to whether a memory fault is causing the startup problem, I would be more inclined to think that the original (if it is) hard drive is becoming unreliable. A 15 year-old laptop drive has undoubtedly had a lot of use and in an enclosure that doesn't dissipate heat the way a fan-cooled desktop or mini-tower is capable of doing. When the PowerBook does manage to complete startup, how much installed memory is indicated when you select "About this Macintosh" from the Apple Menu — 192 MBs? If so, then both modules are detected and passed the Power-On Self-Test. If memory problems are detected during the POST, you should hear a beep or beeps at startup, indicating a problem.

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Jan 4, 2014 1:35 PM in response to Michitosh

The SO-DIMM that you want to use shouldn't cause any problems, even though it's the faster PC-133 SDRAM. It should downclock to your PowerBook's slower bus speed. Judging by the shadow (or lack thereof) under each memory module in your photos, the upper SO-DIMM is undoubtedly the original Apple-installed 4-chip, 64 MB module. The "Power Ram" appears to be a 16-chip, 128 MB module, while the Nanya is an 8-chip, 256 MB module. What this means is that each of these SO-DIMMs has a chip density that differs from the other two. The Power Ram's chips have the smallest density, the SEC's chips have slightly greater density, and the Nanya's chips have the greatest density. I always felt that optimal performance in those older Macs was achieved by attempting to match chip densities. I would never have used an original (8-chip) 32 MB DIMM with a newer (16-chip) 256 MB DIMM in one of my desktop or mini-tower G3s. While you'll have 64 or 128 MBs less of total memory installed, I'd prefer to use the Nanya SO-DIMM by itself. If you really need additional memory, you could install the original Apple (SEC) module, but I wouldn't.


As to whether a memory fault is causing the startup problem, I would be more inclined to think that the original (if it is) hard drive is becoming unreliable. A 15 year-old laptop drive has undoubtedly had a lot of use and in an enclosure that doesn't dissipate heat the way a fan-cooled desktop or mini-tower is capable of doing. When the PowerBook does manage to complete startup, how much installed memory is indicated when you select "About this Macintosh" from the Apple Menu — 192 MBs? If so, then both modules are detected and passed the Power-On Self-Test. If memory problems are detected during the POST, you should hear a beep or beeps at startup, indicating a problem.

Jan 4, 2014 1:38 PM in response to Jeff

Thanks for your answer!

You are right. The 64MB module was the one on the bottom side.
I put in the Nanya 133Mhz module and it works fine. It recognises 128MB.


But i still have the booting problems. (I put in a newer Harddrive a few days ago).

Also it freezes very often...


I really thought the ram is the problem :/

Jan 5, 2014 9:17 AM in response to Michitosh

The memory controller in the Wallstreet PowerBooks has the same limitation as that used in the other (beige and Blue & Ice) G3 desktops/mini-towers. The maximum recognized chip density is 128 Megabits, which means that the highest supported memory module - 256 MBs - must have 16 chips on the card (8 on each side). Your Nanya 256 MB SO-DIMM has (8) 256 Megabit chips (4 on each side) and your PowerBook can only recognize it at ½ of its overall capacity - 128 MBs.

I have a Powerbook G3 Wallstreet and want to upgrade the Ram.

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