Porsche Design External Hard Drive for Time Machine back-up

This is what I am looking to buy for my back up: http://www.amazon.com/LaCie-Porsche-Design-External-9000296/dp/B008SA69L8/ref=sr _1_10?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1393398362&sr=1-10&keywords=porsche+design.


But this is not available on online Apple Store. Only "desktop drives" are available. What is the difference between "desktop drive" and "external drive?"


Also, how do these Porsche Design hard drives rank in terms of reliability and longevity?


Do I need to install LaCie software to use this hard drive for back-up? Or is it possible to directly use Time Machine to use this hard drive for back-up?


Lastly, how does password protection work? Does the LaCie software have to be installed to take advantage of this?

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Posted on Feb 25, 2014 11:36 PM

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Feb 26, 2014 11:46 AM in response to mrq0604


mrq0604 wrote:


How about 3.5" Seagate drives? Are they any better in terms of quality?


Currently the promotional price for 3.0 TB Porsche Design "external drive" is $129 (normally $169). Is this a good deal? And the 3 TB "desktop drive" is $153. Why would they sell thr same product under 2 different names and with different prices? What does "external drive" offer for $16 more? As far I know, they look the same...


How about 3.5" Seagate drives?

Absolutely not, no.


All HD can and do crash and fail, its just statistical sampling in total (see graph above)


If you want the most reliable 3.5" HD, get a 2TB Toshiba, which is actually made by Hitachi (confused yet?) 😉


Hitachi sold their 3.5" division to Toshiba (forced to actually), so a Toshiba 3.5" is really a very well built reliable Hitachi 3.5"


On sale, 2TB Toshiba 3.5" (really Hitachi made) only $88

http://www.amazon.com/Toshiba-Canvio-Desktop-External-HDWC120XK3J1/dp/B008DW96NY /ref=sr_1_10?ie=UTF8&qid=1393443687&sr=8-10&keywords=toshiba+2tb




There is actually a non-commercial HD more reliable than this, which is the WD "black" drives, the server grade drives, but theyre not consumer grade

theyre very expensive, and made for server farms.


here:

http://www.amazon.com/Western-Digital-Cache-Desktop-WD2003FZEX/dp/B00FJRS628/ref =sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1393443945&sr=8-2&keywords=wd+black







As said no such thing as Porsche, its Seagate . Porsche is just the name on the enclosure.



Why sell under 2 diff. names? Actually they do it under 5 DIFFERENT NAMES , Hitachi does the same, so does WD


As I said, there are only 4 HD makers on earth. The many names etc is to fill up shelf space with diff. names such as Porsche , LaCie etc etc.



Id avoid most of the 3TB and certainly the 4TB drives for at least maybe another half year or so.



Large external hard drives are great! Large external hard drives are horrible

It is a common premise that people are overjoyed at the dropping prices per terabyte on external hard drives, and the first thing that enters most peoples minds is "great, I can put all my stuff on one drive,... all of it!" However considerations need to be made in creating a giant single choke point for not mere data loss, but seriously large data loss. If there is at the very least yet another redundant copy, this is fine, otherwise do not consider it whatsoever. Some 3TB and 4TB drives of all mfg. have, at the time of this writing, reliability concerns currently and best recommendation is staying at 2TB drives or less.


Advantages and disadvantages of larger 3TB and 4TB external drives must be weighed

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The implication of this is that you should not trust a new hard drive completely (really never completely!) until it has been working perfectly for several months.

Given the second law of thermodynamics, any and all current mfg. HD will, under perfect storage conditions tend themselves to depolarization and a point will be reached, even if the HD mechanism is perfect, that the ferromagnetic read/write surface of the platter inside the HD will entropy to the point of no viable return for data extraction. HD life varies, but barring mechanical failure, 3-8 years typically.


Hard drive failure and handling


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Some of the common reasons for hard drives to fail:

Infant mortality (due to mfg. defect / build tolerances)

Bad parking (head impact)

Sudden impact (hard drive jarred during operation, heads can bounce)

Electrical surge (fries the controller board, possibly also causing heads to write the wrong data)

Bearing / Motor failure (spindle bearings or motors wear during any and all use, eventually leading to HD failure)

Board failure (controller board failure on bottom of HD)

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Feb 26, 2014 1:20 AM in response to mrq0604

I was offered Porsche design external hard drives the other day in a promotion by LaCie. LaCie is the premier manufacturer of high quality digital storage.


You can buy direct from LaCie. Amazon may not have the above offers.


Desk top drive refers to the fact that the item is not an integral part of the computer.


I have a LaCie external drive and intend to buy one of the promotional ones (3TB)


You can set up Time Machine using such a drive, indeed that is the preferred way of doing it.


As far as I know, password protection is not part of LaCie's offers. If you mean will your passwords still be protected when in Time Machine ... yes, they will.

Feb 26, 2014 2:12 AM in response to seventy one

So which is better. desktop drive or external drive? What does it mean by "not an integral part of the computer?" Can it not directly connect to the computer?


Also, from what I've read so far, Porsche Design drives come with some softwares, including password protection. I am confused whether not installing this software will still enable the password protection it advertises.

Feb 26, 2014 2:23 AM in response to mrq0604

Which is the better? As I see your question, they are one and the same thing.


Your computer contains a hard drive inside it (therefore, integral) which can be partitioned and partly used with Time Machine. While it will work, this is unwise practice for if your hard drive goes, so does your back up. It follows that the separate (external) hard drive (the LaCie) would ideally be located on your desk top.


For enquiries about LaCie products themselves, you would be best to address them directly to LaCie. Amazon would be of no help. Where are you locared?

Feb 26, 2014 2:53 AM in response to mrq0604


mrq0604 wrote:


Porsche Design drives come with some softwares,


never EVER use software that comes with any external HD. All pros will tell you the same thing on that point.





There is NO SUCH thing as a Porche or Lacie hard drive 😉



they both contain Seagate drives. Porche and Lacie are just names on the box, nothing more.



there are only 4 HD mfg. on earth. Toshiba, Hitachi, Seagate, WD




Avoid seagate 2.5" drives and WD consumer grade drives should be avoided as well



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huge storage, low cost, high quality, very small and portable.


BEST FOR THE COST, Toshiba "tiny giant" 15mm thick 2TB drive (have several of them, lots of storage in tiny package) $100

http://www.amazon.com/Toshiba-Canvio-Connect-Portable-HDTC720XK3C1/dp/B00CGUMS48 /ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1390020791&sr=8-3&keywords=toshiba+2tb




best options for the price, and high quality HD:

Quality 1TB drives are $50 per TB on 3.5" or $65 per TB on 2.5"


Perfect 1TB for $68

http://www.amazon.com/Toshiba-Canvio-Portable-Hard-Drive/dp/B005J7YA3W/ref=sr_1_ 1?ie=UTF8&qid=1379452568&sr=8-1&keywords=1tb+toshiba


Nice 500gig for $50. ultraslim perfect for use with a notebook

http://www.amazon.com/Toshiba-Canvio-Portable-External-Drive/dp/B009F1CXI2/ref=s r_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1377642728&sr=1-1&keywords=toshiba+slim+500gb





*This one is the BEST portable external HD available that money can buy:
HGST Touro Mobile 1TB USB 3.0 External Hard Drive $88

http://www.amazon.com/HGST-Mobile-Portable-External-0S03559/dp/B009GE6JI8/ref=sr _1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1383238934&sr=8-1&keywords=HGST+Touro+Mobile+Pro+1TB+USB+3.0+7 2 00+RPM


Most storage experts agree on the Hitachi 2.5"


Hitachi is the winner in hard drive reliability survey:

Hitachi manufacturers the safest and most reliable hard drives, according to the Storelab study. Of the hundreds of Hitachi hard drives received, not a single one had failed due to manufacturing or design errors. Adding the highest average lifespans and the best relationship between failures and market share, Hitachi can be regarded as the winner.

Feb 26, 2014 9:37 AM in response to PlotinusVeritas

How about 3.5" Seagate drives? Are they any better in terms of quality?


Currently the promotional price for 3.0 TB Porsche Design "external drive" is $129 (normally $169). Is this a good deal? And the 3 TB "desktop drive" is $153. Why would they sell thr same product under 2 different names and with different prices? What does "external drive" offer for $16 more? As far I know, they look the same...

Feb 26, 2014 11:09 AM in response to mrq0604

A Porsche external drive is the only drive I've ever had crash on me. It could be a fluke but I stay away from LaCie now.


My personal preference are the Macsales.com - OWC Mercury Elite Pro USB 3.0/2.0, FireWire 800/400, eSATA External Hard Drives. (Note: OWC's servers are currently having some problems but give it some time and look at what they have to offer.


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Feb 26, 2014 12:33 PM in response to Csound1

I see.


1. external (flash) SSD are 1. far too expensive, 2. not big enough, 3. not fast enough thru the external ports to get the great benefit out of their potential speed (realized internally) compared to a conventional HD.



2. If he meant a (flash) thumb drive, they're 1. too small, 2. too expensive for any serious storage, 3. and WAY too slow to copy to.



So, thats a big negatory 😍




$50 per Terabyte on conventional hard drives is the 'best route'

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