G5 VS Mac Pro

Tell you that I would like a HD DVD rather than BluRay. For all the people wishing for Blueray take a look at HD DVD.... its the better format.

Also when Barefeats gets the 3ghz Quad it will have the ATI 1900xt in it and not the Base graphics card like he has now.

You are both suckers if you buy into either format.

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I perfer to decide how I watch the stuff I paid for.
I'll be passing on both formats and I suggest you do to.

Mac Pro 2.66 (on order) Mac OS X (10.4.7)

Last generation? Dual core? PCI express architecture?

Yup, I stand by my words, the G5 is yesterday's news.

I mean its a capable processor but clearly the Intel procsesors are superior in a lot of ways why else would apple take the incredible gamble of switching platforms.

I'm all for open source and stuff... but I don't see anything better on the horizon for HD. Now that a few Hi-Def DVD formats are finally here...I for one will never get on any bandwagon to not help promote them.

Well back to the topic at hand G5 Vs MacPro. Please someone out there with Motion would do a test....

In a fair test, it's unlikely that the even the 3.0Ghz Quad Xeon is near 2.1 times as fast as the G5 Quad.

Apple's actually in a tough spot. Throughout the rest of the line, the switch to Intel dual-core processors brought about an undeniable boost in CPU performance (except the single-core mini).

I'm convinced the Mac Pro (2.66 and up) is faster than any previous Mac, just not by the kind of factors they were able to claim with the switch from single to dual on all other models except the cheapest mini. The lack of standard Airport and Bluetooth is the same as on the dual-core G5, except the price of the AP/BT option has gone down to $79.

Going to full 64-bit in Leopard will not result in any performance boost. That's more marketing BS. Most applications don't need, can't use, and won't benefit from, full 64-bit.

Quad G5 2.5Ghz 4.5GB 2x250G, PB 15" 1.5Ghz,80G,1.5G Mac OS X (10.4.7) Logic Pro 7.2.1, Focusrite Saffire...

Motion is really video card dependent. Does anyone have a Mac Pro with an X1900XT or Quadro 4500 yet? Because otherwise, a Quad Power Mac with a 7800 GT will win this battle... the 7300 graphics card will saddle the Mac Pro here.

Might be a month or so before the high-end BTO systems can run this test and deliver this info. Final Cut Pro rendering would probably be a better CPU test.

Going to full 64-bit in Leopard will not result in
any performance boost. That's more marketing BS. Most
applications don't need, can't use, and won't benefit
from, full 64-bit.

The biggest upside to 64 bit is ram usage, and that will be a huge deal for Logic users. For many users, the bottleneck is apps not being able to use more than 4 gigs of ram.

I won't be watching many movies that I pay for on my mac. I want it mostly for downloading my HDV video of stuff that I can burn to a Blu-Ray or HD-DVD and enjoy. Not sure how anyone 'controls' how I do that.

Regarding the 'format war', we'll know within a few months of the PS3 being released who will come out on top.

Yes, if Logic is re-written to take advantage of 64-bit addressing. They haven't exactly sprung boldly into action getting Logic working correctly on more than two processors, at least not in any noticeable way. I wouldn't be surprised if they show similar lethargy on 64-bit.

I suspect most of their recent Logic effort went into making it universal, which didn't provide much incentive to worry about quads.

Now that intel quads are out, I suspect their efforts have shifted to quad support and then 64 bit support.

That's what I'm hoping.

Cost?

Intel inside = cheaper than designing and building your own hardware.

How long did Apple go on about the poorer x86 architecture in comparison to the better PowerPC architecture? Years.

Intel inside = more people from PC's to buy Mac's (so they can run Windows - ha!)

Intel inside = outdated Macs more quickly than PowerPC Macs, as Intel release their usual ever increasing updates on GHz and cores (let's face it most of the current Macs are already outdated since Core2Duo became available, Mac Pro will be outdated in January when quad core Xeons are launched).

PC World are advertising (in the UK) a Compaq 2.66Ghz Dual Core desktop (inc. 17" monitor) for under £500. Compare that to the CoreDuo iMac. No competition. iMac for £879 with 1.83Ghz or £1129 for 2.0Ghz (almost twice the price, less processing power).

The PowerPC chip is being developed into the Cell CPU by IBM & Associates, which when launched will seriously change the face of computing. If PowerPC is outdated, why are Sony & Microsoft using that technology in PSP3 & Xbox 360? They obviously feel otherwise.

Strange thing happened when those two got on board the IBM development. Apple announced it's transition to Intel. Go figure